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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The deposit is just a deposit, it doesn't pay for anything. Are you sure you understand how the deposit in this case works? You pay for something and you get that back when you return the item.

Maybe you should look into something like the Finnish bottle deposit scheme. It's great but those take quite some time and effort to set up and get running properly.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Not everyone returns and collects the deposit back, these deposits end up funding the operations.

If the Finnish scheme is anything like the German scheme, that's what I was thinking of. Although it doesn't need to be quite so widespread with machines inside every supermarket.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (14 children)

They'll have to wait with just taking the deposit money since for quite a long time you wouldn't know if they're returning it or not. And if it's anything like other systems, you can return it to different place than the one you paid for, which requires moving money around and whatnot. And there's the issue of getting them from the stores to be recycled and overall upkeep and governance of the system and so on.

The systems are a lot more complex than one might think at first.

[–] midgephoto@photog.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@RaivoKulli @TWeaK if someone hands you 10 cans, they've handed you 10 cans. How don't you know?
They don't need tracking.

(If a store hands you 100kg of cans, they've handed you 100kg. Audit would need you to weigh them and know their name, but little else.)

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sure shops will be happy to pay out of pocket for cans not purchased from them. You'd need some form of balancing in the system.

Like I said, seems very simple if you don't really think about it.

[–] midgephoto@photog.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@RaivoKulli (I don't need to think hard about it, I grew up with it running)

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Might want to give it some thought what it took to actually run it. I grew up with bottle and can deposit system but it would be a disservice to not recognize what it took to get it running and what it takes to run it now.

[–] midgephoto@photog.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@RaivoKulli Why wouldn't they be? If they sell a thousand cans they've paid a thousand deposits.
If they return a thousand cans they get back their thousand deposits.

The cans, as with R White's lemonade bottles once upon a time, are fungible.

They'll need a tin of pennies.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think you get what I mean. Customer buys from store A and pays them the deposit and returns them to store B who gives the customer the deposit amount. Store A doesn't care, they got the deposit, didn't have to return it to the customer. Store B had to give the deposit amount to customer even though they didn't get the original deposit amount. See how it might be a nuisance to store B? That's why you need some organization for the system.

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