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Cross-postong from https://Kbin/m/wheeloftime

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I had picked this up at a used book store a long ways back after reading nothing but rock bios for a while - thought a little historical non-fiction could beef my brain up.

Took about a year, but I finished it yesterday and the timing of the whole submersible ship implosion while doing some tourist viewing of the sunk Titanic lined up in a pretty unsettling way for me.

As far as the book goes, this is my second from Erik Larson, the first being Devil in the White City, which was excellent as was this one. Erik Larson has an incredible skill for writing a mix of textbook material and humanizing detail that allows you to both learn and care, while organized in a way that builds suspense despite the events being common knowledge. It almost reads like historical fiction, his research is very thorough into both the people he describes and the events that happened, providing context to both that creates a rich and educational reading experience.

Worth noting:

  • Woodrow Wilson spends the whole book being a total simp and an emotional sad sack.
  • Winston Churchill is both admirable and contemptible in his actions, in modern times he would be seen in a much more negative light.
  • While making it clear that the German U-Boat commander Walter Schweiger is a cold and calculated man focused entirely on sinking ships with little care for the human toll, even he at times is a relatable character.

While the current events aren’t totally related as instead of a torpedo submarine we are currently talking about a luxury submersible used to do sight-seeing of a passenger ship’s wreckage, the first hand accounts of the survivors of the Lusitania’s sinking paint an absolutely horrifying picture of living through a shipwreck.

I never watched Titanic (I only watch good movies, thank you) (jk) but to imagine the absolute chaos and carnage of thousands of people in the middle of a freezing ocean, getting off the boat just to still be maimed or set adrift amongst the debris and surrounded by corpses and other terrified people… it’s rough.

Good read, check it out.

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In cleaning out my reddit closet, I stumbled upon this site again after long forgetting about it.

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The impression is fresh for a while. What is the first thing you do?

Do you discuss it? Do you write some kind of review for yourself? Do you explore professional reviews/analyses instead to compare the perspectives? Do you give yourself some time to form an opinion? Do you do something else?

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My readings of Shakespeare in reconstructed early 17th century pronunciation continue with Sonnet 64 ("When I have seen by time's fell hand defac'd...")

@literature @linguistics @poetry @bookstodon

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The silmarillion narrated by Andy Serkis has been released. #lotr #silmarillion #tolkien @literature

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I’ve never had a book that I so immediately wanted to dive right back into. If you haven’t heard of it, but like a good mystery (closer to a self-contained ARG than Agatha Christie) or a good 500 page movie review, I could not recommend it more! This weekend I'm planning to do another read-through to catch things I might have missed.

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It's really hard to put my thoughts about this this novella into a coherent form. Especially without spoilers.

Overall I liked it. It is thought provoking in ways I wasn't expecting.

If anything holds me back from an absolute recommendation is the prose. That it is a translation shows. 73 words in a sentence just doesn't work the same way in English as it does in some languages.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.pathoris.de/post/2880

Shouldn't books be sorted by ISBN? :-)

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Cross posting from https://kbin.social/m/wheeloftime

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What is your favourite book?

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It doesn't have to be famous, just a work that you connect with that you feel represents your country in some way.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by TheCalzoneMan to c/literature
 
 

So I've been reading The Wandering Inn, which is amazing btw, but it's started getting a little intense and I want to take a break for a bit. I wanted to read something similar, and I like how serious the author takes the topic. Does anyone have any recommendations? I've already blasted through Hedge Wizard and Arcane Ascension for additional references.

Edit: here's a compiled list of the recommendations so far, and where I'm putting them.

Currently Reading: Cradle

To-Read: Practical Guide to Evil, Bastion, Mother of Learning

To Check Out: Beware of Chicken, Only Villains Do, Way of Choices,

This feels like a pretty solid list, but I'll update as I go.

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Read any of these yet? How were they? Anything catch your eye to add to your TBR list?

I’ve read A Day of Fallen Night, which I really enjoyed! Lots of interesting characters with relationships that felt real, action, and dragons! I would definitely recommend reading Priory of the Orange Tree first though, just to get that background world building info.

I want to pick up The Ferryman, How to Sell a Haunted House, and A House with Good Bones since I’ve enjoyed previous works by those authors.

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Last month I decided to reread my Lem collection. Started Solaris yesterday. (I've read it three or four times before.)

Memoirs Found in a Bathtub is one of my favorite books ever. It's Lem's sci-fi retelling of Kafka's The Castle.

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I believe there are some BookWyrm users here, that's why I'm trying to (mis)use this community as a support forum.

In the latest Fediverse rush I've created a BookWyrm account and imported my GoodReads data. Some of the books in my library are pretty niche, had to be imported from OpenLibrary and don't have a cover picture. So I made a cover photo for one of them and uploaded it to BookWyrm and OpenLibrary.

Now I'm wondering... Is book data entered into BookWyrm contributed back to OpenLibrary? Does anyone use OpenLibrary? OpenLibrary seems to offer pretty much what BookWyrm offers sans the federation. Still, it seems like a good and open project, and being hosted by archive.org and having been co-created by Aaron Swartz. Now I'm on the fence what to use. :-)

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Figured I would start moving over some of my high effort posts to the fediverse. This is a post I originally made on the /r/wot and then posted to books@kbin.social and wheeloftime@kbin.social. Hope it's all right that I'm re-posting here. Just trying to do my part to get some content going

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Mat's arc with Tylin sparks a lot of discussion, and I notice a fair number of comments wishing the books took her actions more seriously, or taking the character's amused reactions as the book itself signaling this should be funny and rightly finding that disconcerting. I want to take some time to post an analysis of this arc and show that you are meant to find her actions and the lackluster reactions of the other characters disturbing at best, and sickening at worst.

There were a lot of great comments in this thread about how this arc was meant to mirror and comment on media from the 80's and 90's where rape of women is played for laughs. Jordan really liked to take tropes like this and reverse the roles to make a point or make people examine why they felt uneasy. I won't retread those points here, but think that thread is worth checking out.

I had the same initial reaction, but the more I think about it, the more I like the way it's handled.

One other thing to keep in mind with Jordan's writing is that he was absolutely steadfast in maintaining the unreliable narrator and letting things play out the way they would in real life without the book itself moralizing about right and wrong. All moralizing is done by the characters, and often we are meant to realize that what the characters are presenting as "right" is wrong. This is especially obvious in matters of fact when we know something a character is saying with 100% confidence is 100% wrong, but Jordan often does the same thing with moral lessons as well, where something a character is presenting as morally right is meant to be taken as morally wrong.

Jordan wrote his story the way he felt it would actually unfold, and left it up to you, the reader, to apply your own moral lens without being told by the book how to feel. Character's moral sensibilities are strictly bound by their culture, upbringing, and personality. No character ever breaks the fourth wall and applies our moral sensibilities to a situation for the sake of teaching a lesson to the audience.

That means a couple things for this arc:

  • The prose itself never casts Tylin as a rapist, since none of our protagonists see it that way. Mat is a man so they find Tylin's "pursuit" of him amusing, the way Jordan believes they actually would given their culture.

  • Mat does not have the language to describe or process what is happening to him. We clearly see he knows on some level it's wrong but his inner monologue is his normal, brash, humorous, self. Mat lies to himself about a lot of things and this is no exception.

However, there are a couple things that I think clearly demonstrate that RJ saw her actions as wrong.

First: Mat's inner dialog is really hard to read, he's constantly oscillating between confusion, despair, and cracking jokes. It's so clear he doesn't have the ability to process what is happening to him, and this makes his sections gut-wrenching. I think it's why so many people have a visceral reaction to the arc. A sample:

“It isn’t natural,” he burst out, yanking the pipestem from between his teeth. “I’m the one who’s supposed to do the chasing!” [Tylin's] astonished eyes surely mirrored his own. Had Tylin been a tavern maid who smiled the right way, he might have tried his luck—well, if the tavern maid lacked a son who liked poking holes in people—but he was the one who chased. He had just never thought of it that way before. He had never had the need to, before.

Tylin began laughing, shaking her head and wiping at her eyes with her fingers. “Oh, pigeon. I do keep forgetting. You are in Ebou Dar, now. I left a little present for you in the sitting room.” She patted his foot through the sheet. “Eat well today. You are going to need your strength.”

Mat put a hand over his eyes and tried very hard not to weep. When he uncovered them, she was gone.

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There was also a red silk purse holding twenty gold crowns and a note that smelled of flowers.

I would have bought you an earring, piglet, but I noticed your ear is not pierced. Have it done, and buy yourself something nice.

He nearly wept again. He gave women presents. The world was standing on its head! Piglet? Oh, Light! After a minute, he did take the mask; she owed him that much, for his coat alone.

The crying is what really drives it home. If this was meant to truly be played for laughs Mat would not have such a painful inner monologue. Instead, Jordan is creating a dissonance between the humorous tone the other characters approach this arc with and Mat's inner emotional distress. It feels like Jordan asking us to consider the inner life of characters in other media that are the butt of rape jokes. Should we really be laughing at them? Or are we the palace maids to those characters' Mat?

There's also some points to make around Mat trying to figure out why he feels this way and reaching for reasons like "I'm the one who chases" rather than "she raped me" being a really great illustration of victims who can't even articulate why something was a violation in the aftermath of a traumatic experience and the gaslighting that happens to them, but let's move on to another character who laughs at the victim.

Second: when Mat tells Elayne what's happening, Elayne laughs at him initially, but then Mat, in a moment of selflessness, offers her the foxhead medallion to protect her from the Gohlam. She pauses, reassesses him, and:

I. . . .” That faint blush returned to her cheeks. “I am sorry I laughed at you.” She cleared her throat, looking away. “Sometimes I forget my duty to my subjects. You are a worthy subject, Matrim Cauthon. I will see that Nynaeve understands the right of . . . of you and Tylin. Perhaps we can help.”

“No,” he spluttered. “I mean, yes. I mean. . . . That is. . . . Oh, kiss a flaming goat if I know what I mean. I almost wish you didn’t know the truth.

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Aloud, she said, “I understand.” Sounding just as if she did. “Come along, now, Mat. We can’t waste time standing in one spot.” Gaping, he watched her lift skirts and cloak to make her way along the landing. She understood? She understood, and not one acid little comment, not one cutting remark?

This moment is narrated through Mat's eyes, so we don't know exactly what Elayne is thinking, but we DO know that Elayne is often depicted as having the highest EQ / empathy in the series. She plays peacemaker between her friends, cares for animals, and is the glue that holds her, Min and Aviendha together as friends rather than rivals through the tight bonds she consciously forms with both. She makes friends easily and is fiercely protective of them.

She also has zero issues with calling Mat on his bullshit.

So it's telling that she seems to recognize that this is affecting Mat deeply, and respect that even if she doesn't understand it. She may not go as far as realizing what is actually happening, and it may take her a moment to get there, but we can infer from her that she recognizes on some level that Mat is in real distress over it, and reacts to that, even offering to help him resolve it. This moment really stood out to me on my first read through.

There's a bunch of other things to dissect here, especially around the way victim-blaming and slut-shaming is interwoven into this scene (Elayne implies Mat was asking for it and got a taste of his own medicine, even though Mat is never shown flirting with someone who does not show interest), but let's move on to the next point.

Third: Tylin is killed by the Gholam.

Now, this may not seem like a point in the book's favor. Tylin's death seems to be played as a tragedy. When a character is killed for karmic reasons, most books wink at the reader a little, with some line of narration or dialog emphasizing that they got what was coming to them.

This is not the case with Tylin. Robert Jordan writes Mat's reaction authentically, and Mat has come to care for his abuser, as often happens in the real world. Her death is "played" as tragedy because that's how our narrator feels about it.

Mat did not realize his knees had given way until he found himself sitting on the floor with his head buzzing. He could hear her voice. You’ll get your head cut off yet if you’re not careful, piglet, and I wouldn’t like that. Setalle leaned forward on the narrow bed to press a hand against his cheek in commiseration.

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[Tuon] was watching him, a neutral expression on her face. “Did you care for Tylin so deeply?” she said in a cautious voice.

“Yes. No. Burn me, I liked her!” Turning away, he scrubbed fingers through his hair, pushing the cap off. He had never been so glad to get away from a woman in his life, but this…! “And I left her tied up and gagged so she couldn’t even call for help, easy prey for the gholam,” he said bitterly. “It was looking for me. Don’t shake your head. Thom. You know it as well as I do.”

But I contend that this death is one of Karmic justice. The Gholam only finds Tylin because it is looking for Mat, and his scent is all over her room as a result of her actions, so her immoral actions directly lead to her death

Further, she is killed by the Gholam while tied up and helpless, a perfect mirror of the situations she forces on Mat with her pink ribbons. Mat even remarks that she never would have stood a chance and couldn't call for help, which has symmetry with the absolute political and social power Tylin had over him. We even have scenes earlier on when he realizes the whole palace is complicit in serving him up to Tylin and there's no one he can turn to for help.

Such symmetry between death and actions is typical of characters being punished for their transgressions, but Jordan's style is not to moralize about it directly. Instead he presents to us the character's authentic reactions and thoughts. The symbolism and meaning is there for us to pick up on, but the unreliable narrator lenses it as a senseless killing of an innocent woman.

Jordan wants to make us uncomfortable, but he's not interested in handing us the answer to why on a silver platter. It's up to us to use our own reasoning and morals to suss that out.

TLDR: Jordan doesn't moralize himself in the books. He expects you to feel the outrage and uneasiness yourself, then connect the dots. Tylin's killing bears all the hallmarks of Karmic justice, so while our characters don't take what she is doing to Mat seriously, I think we are clearly meant to conclude it is wrong.

In many ways Jordan used this arc to examine Rape Culture before "Rape Culture" was a mainstream discussion.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by altz3r0 to c/literature
 
 

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/632851

I've compiled a timeline of cyberpunk books that, in my opinion, represent significant shifts in the genre and its ideas. Whether it's the early explorations of AI and dystopian futures, the emergence of virtual reality, or the more recent reflections on environmental and social issues, each book on this list adds a unique perspective to the ever-evolving cyberpunk landscape.

However, it takes a village and all that. So I would like to list them here in c/cyberpunk, cross-posting it at literature, to know your opinions on the genre, the books, and if you have any suggestions, complementary or disrupting, on this list.

  1. "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" by Philip K. Dick (1968): To me, it all begins here. This novel, which served as the basis for the movie "Blade Runner", popularized the groundwork for many cyberpunk themes like artificial intelligence, dystopian future, and the blurred line between reality and the artificial.

  2. "Neuromancer" by William Gibson (1984): Often considered the genre defining work, it introduced the concept of cyberspace and explored themes of artificial intelligence and corporate power, and to me it indirectly set the core principle of the genre, "high tech, low life".

  3. "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson (1992): This book further pushed the envelope on the concept of virtual reality, offering a blend of ancient cultures, linguistics, computer science, politics, and philosophy, and fucking added fun to the genre.

  4. "Ghost in the Shell" by Masamune Shirow (1995): I cheat a little big here by adding a manga series. It deserves a mention, along with the movie, because it dives deeply into the themes of self-identity, artificial intelligence, and societal intrigue that really brought cyberpunk to the world. It had a profound influence on cyberpunk literature and media after it's conception.

  5. "Altered Carbon" by Richard K. Morgan (2002): This may be a little controversial, as I don't really like the author to be honest, but this novel adds more depth to themes of identity and humanity through the concept of consciousness transfer and immortality.

  6. "Accelerando" by Charles Stross (2005): This one added weight to the genre by exploring the societal and personal changes that might happen as a result of the technological singularity, a theoretical point when technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible. I personally dig this aspect, and try to write more of it.

  7. "Windup Girl", by Paolo Bacigalupi (2009): I know, I know, "biopunk". But I refuse to budge on it. To me this retains the core concept of cyberpunk, and is cyberpunk, because it is about technology, and its effect on quality of life and society. But the simple fact that the novel brings this discussion makes it a remarkable point in the genre.

  8. "Player One" by Ernest Cline (2011): Another controversial addition here, but this book is a blend of dystopian future with nostalgia for the pop culture of the 1980s, and revives themes of virtual reality and the influence of technology on society, giving breadth (and a new breath) to the genre.

  9. "The Ministry for the Future" by Kim Stanley Robinson (2020): This near-future novel tackles themes around climate change and global politics, focusing on the power of technology as a tool to combat environmental disaster, and offers a more optimistic view of the future. I like this one here because it brings the discussion to current topics, maintaining the genre alive.

  10. "Repo Virtual" by Corey J. White (2020): White's novel explores cyberpunk in an age of late capitalism, AI, and questions about sentience and autonomy. Along with ministry of the Future, this serve the same purpose of maintaining the genre purpose alive and bringing us to the point we are now, which is also a good concept that I agree with: it doesn't need to be about things far away in the future, because soon some of these novels will be about things in the past, and the genre must remain the same still.

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The fanfiction is currently above 16,777,215 words (we don't know the word count because fanfic.net uses 24-bit integers to count the amount of words and this fic surpassed the computational limit), and is 2000+ chapters. It is written by Jamesdean5842 and is still being written to this day.

The story is about an OC named JD Knudson who moves into the Louds town and goes on adventures with them after creating a superhero team with them. According to the recap (Obviously not even close to finished recap) on Tvtropes.org, the fic is mainly comprised of loud house episode plots rewritten to include the OC and a multitude of crossovers with other franchises from any piece of media you could possibly think of. (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheLoudHouseRevamped)

Some examples of the crossovers are Ed, Edd n Eddy, Naruto, Dante's Inferno, Inside Out, Matilda, Pulp Fiction, CatDog, Metroid, The Simpsons. This is a very small selection of the crossovers done in the fic.

Despite the fic's main characters being minors, the story contains lots of swearing, sex, romance, drugs, and violence. The sheer amount of strange details about this fic is insane, reading the TVtropes page will give you some insane mental whiplash. (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheLoudHouseRevamped)

This is just the tip of the iceberg for this story, it is absolutely insane.

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I'm a huge fan of Peter F. Hamilton myself (original username NorthernLightMountain after all) and figured there ought to be more of us around here!

My absolute favorite world of his is the commonwealth universe and really want him to get back to something on that scale again.

I've read both the Salvation and Arkship trilogies after that and even though they're both good I want brick sized epic space opera again!

Might just have to go back an revisit his books again.

I did see that he co-authored a book semi recently that managed to fly under my radar; Light Chaser (written with Gareth L. Powell).

Has anyone read it? No spoilers please :)

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Hi! Anyone read any good nonfiction lately that they'd recommend? I'm between holds in my library queue rn and need a fix.

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This poem was so, so good. I’ve never heard of this author before and I don’t normally read poetry, but I’m going to pick up a copy of his book now.

In case the paywall stops you:

was the same summer he met my mother. He and Uncle Max, home from college,

worked the family farm, drove cattle between fields, passed out by a fire

after trading swigs of Old Grand-Dad from Max’s flask, the night sky lit up

like a marquee, “Kashmir” playing softly on their portable radio. It was 1975.

On off days, he’d drive to Carbondale and see Dylan or Elton. He grew

his first beard, wore aviators and snap-button shirts, smashed a copperhead’s skull

with the heel of his boot. He met her, friend of a friend, on someone’s front porch.

Late July. He pulled a beer from a cooler and handed it to her. Overhead, carpenter bees

dug into the eaves, dropping a little wood dust that hung in the air, caught on the wind,

briefly softening the view, lightly obscuring it. At what point should I tell you

my father spent that summer on the farm, resigned from his job in Chicago,

because he abandoned his first marriage, washed his hands of a daughter, and hardly

looked back? And what to do with this? Knowing my existence depends

on these facts—the beer, the radio, my sister—every one of them.

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