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Oh goddamnit, another creation engine game?!
a wholly new engine would almost certainly break mods or atleast make them harder to make as janky as creation engine can be it's the best engine for modding there is and bethesda games absolutely need modding and not just cause the glitches
I'm out of breath from reading this.
then breathe
A new engine would just have to have a new mod API. Plenty of engines have mod APIs. Nothing's really stopping them, but they really love driving creation engine onward for some reason.
bethesda is not making a whole new engine from scratch that just isn't happening if they switched engine it'd probably just be to a licensed engine like unreal and that sucks for mod support the reality isn't creation engine vs a from scratch in house engine that supports modding just as well but with less jank it's creation engine vs unreal or something else maybe but not in house and there's no other engine out there that currently exists that's as good for modding
Please consider using punctuation!
We used to blame the Bethesda jank on their last engine, Game ryo. Safe to say that it's not the engine at this point.
Creation Engine is based on Gamebryo.
Then making a new engine won't fix the problem, because it'll just be based off creation engine.
They don't need to make one; they can use one of the many engines that already exist and can do everything their games try to do, but with far less jank. Unless they somehow manage to insert it in regardless, which I would not put past them.
Why would a company with multiple blockbuster franchises completely scrap the engine they're made in?
Because the engine is behind the standard set by decade out games
Weird that they keep hitting the ball out of the park.
imagine a bethesda game releasing with a worse modding scene than their last game. people would riot
So in other words, they've found a viable business model that incentivizes the next generation of developers to get their asses into gear?
Hmm.. I'm not seeing the down side.
a lot of skyrim modders worked on starfield
Yeah, exactly. They've created a viable ecosystem for themselves. They have a highly moddable engine and they tend to leave a lot of abandoned code in the game that modders find and make use of. People eat it up and they use it as a starting point to get into development.
I'm on exactly that track right now. For me it's been all about very open ended kinda buggy games that you can mod the hell out of. Wanting to change or tweak a little something here and there leads to wanting to implement more elaborate ideas. Eventually it starts looking appealing to make something of your own, or to make a bigger contribution to other projects. Personally, I don't really want to work for a big company (or anyone other than myself), but a modding portfolio can certainly be a foot in the door.
My first mod for a game was a thing to shut up the Longs in Fallout 4. Super simple, literally just broke the link to their idle audio files. That was ages ago, and my own journey has been more related to getting DayZ to do what I want and now using Conan to further explore game design and more involved elaborate systems, but Bethesda was still that first step.
They're not perfect, and their IP in some cases has certainly been watered down a little, but they make great games and have a workable business model that isn't as toxic as some others. They've done a good job fostering creativity and innovation.
I don't really get the complaints by people who've never made anything even remotely approaching a Fallout or an Elder Scrolls acting like the developers are trash and they know better. Let's see your blockbuster open world rpg.
Its because they have a massive mainstream audience, like people who buy Madden and FIFA every year
Ah yes, it must be the dirty normies playing Bethesda games, no True Gamer would ever buy them
No? What I mean is they have a massive more casual audience that doesn't play a lot of games to compare it to and this is true. Yes most people who regularly play games can enjoy Bethesda games too but they don't owe their success to that audience cause if they did they would stop selling reskinned skyrim.
Or they can keep using the same engine with the same issues because gamers will definitely buy their next title en-masse despite the previously mentioned issues. Eg. Starfield
To be fair, the engine has been overhauled since the original CE. So, while it’s not “new” it’s also not “the same engine.”
They tend to do that by tacking on new jank without removing (much) of the old stuff, though, presumably because they have base assets and scripts that they're constantly re-using. Or, differently put: As long as Papyrus will still be in the thing I seriously doubt they're giving any thought to technical debt. Already in Skyrim people rather used the UI to script stuff (because that's Flash and ActionScript is at least remotely sane and fast) but ultimately it's SKSE (that is, native dlls) for anything that isn't a lag fest.
It's not so much that CreationEngine is easy to mod, it's that it's what a gigantic community of modders are used to and have developed tooling for (you can get by with little to no use of CreationKit which is an abomination all on its own). Stockholm Syndrome at its finest or we'd have seen much more content for RedEngine which is far technically superior (and yet CDPR is abandoning it for Unreal).