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[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 132 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

If people knew how much sugar and calories are in their drink maybe they would think twice

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are nutrition labels on alcohol in Europe, but people there drink as much as here.

[–] Blaidd@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Europe drinks way more alcohol than North America

Excerpt from the article:

If you feel that Europeans drink a lot, your hunch is correct: people across the continent consume more alcohol than in any other part of the world. Each year in Europe, every person aged 15 and over consumes, on average, 9.5 litres of pure alcohol, which is equivalent to around 190 litres of beer, 80 litres of wine or 24 litres of spirits. That’s according to the 2021 European health report by the World Health Organization (WHO).

[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

24 litres of spirits is about 4 bottles of whiskey or vodka every 3 weeks.

That does seem like a lot to me.

[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In beer form, it's a bout a pint per day. Not too bad actually. I probably average close to that, since I'll have a can of beer most nights, and a few pints and/or cocktails on weekends.

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yup, just checked my beer. Lists ingredients and calories. In 2 langauges!

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago

The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

I did not know that. That is nuts.

[–] salton@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not having to list ingredients is a real pain if you have uncommon food allergies.

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[–] elxeno@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago
[–] polle@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would like a ban on advertising, too.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd like a ban on all forms of advertising.

Marketing is nothing more than getting people to buy stuff they do not need.

It is the reason we live in a consumer culture, and is the force behind some of the biggest problems humanity faces today.

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[–] worstcatintheworld@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I think alcohol advertising will eventually be banned but it'll take a long time. Governments are addicted to the revenues.

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[–] thefattman 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, aren't the cigarette companies famous for being extreme lobbyists?

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

They did, if you look at late 20th century history. The lobbying and propaganda they did at the time was insane, but there was only so much they could do when people were dying from lung cancer, had trouble breathing, and even chewing tobacco was known to cause mouth cancer.

They simply gave up trying so hard in the west and concentrated efforts in emerging markets. Do you remember the infamous video of the smoking baby a few years ago? Shit like that's eerily common in places like Indonesia.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it would be weird reading that smoking alcohol is dangerous for pregnant women.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

This damn nanny state is out of control! /s

[–] Sim@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And sugar. Off topic a bit, but my addiction is sugar and some reminders might make the occasional difference.

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[–] Melkath@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And coffee, and butter, and sugar, and artificial sweeteners, and cannabis, and cars.,,. prohibition is stupid. Mind your own fucking business. Stop trying to control others.

[–] lisko@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's just a warning label not a prohibition

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[–] Lininop@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] Melkath@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this was meant to invalidate my argument:

Red herring fallacy

Just invoking a simple fallacy without establishing it within the context is making a red herring of fallacies themselves.

[–] Lininop@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sure I'll establish it with in context. Just because "other things are also dangerous" doesn't mean warning should not be on the label of a known carcinogen. This is coming from someone who drinks more than he should.

Putting a warning on the label of a product known to cause harm isn't "controlling others". You are free to still consume the product. It is allowing you to make an informed choice, even if you are unaware or unable to access that information from other sources.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because alchol sellers aren't widely considered as flat out evil as cigarette makers, meaning that they can still realistically grease the wheels of power with dump trucks full of money.

I'm sure cigarette makers would love to the do the same thing, but no politician is dumb enough to risk taking "campaign contributions" from people who are widely considered to be the scum of the earth. Alcohol makers still have a level of respectability that lets them get away with it.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

no politician is dumb enough to risk taking β€œcampaign contributions” from people who are widely considered to be the scum of the earth.

And yet they'll accept campaign assistance from foreign and domestic oil companies:

https://canadians.org/analysis/when-big-oil-intervenes-canadian-politics-it-does-so-foreign-money-and-huge-scale/

https://canadians.org/media/new-report-reveals-pervasive-influence-big-foreign-oil-canadian-politics/

[–] LakesLem@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not really equivalent. Smoking permanently leaves all kind of nasty shit in your lungs and causes cancer. Also very addictive, making moderation physically difficult (alcohol can also be addictive but not to the same extremes). Alcohol in moderation isn't really an issue. Pushing it more can give your liver a bad time, but as long as you give it a break before the point of disease it can bounce right back.

There is a societal problem especially in the UK in that it's seen as a sort of matter of pride to throw moderation out of the window and get as wasted as possible, but I have my doubts that graphic health warnings will do much about that. Either way it's more an effect of society ignoring and sometimes even shaming moderation (how many times have you been shamed for going home before you fall over on a work's night out) than the alcohol itself.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Or to the leading cause of death of Canadians: dietary cholesterol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY0UY3FwoW4

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William-Roberts-14/publication/23313863_The_Cause_of_Atherosclerosis/links/551477890cf283ee08364f81/The-Cause-of-Atherosclerosis.pdf

The leading cause of death of Canadians can be eliminated strictly through diet and avoiding animal products that contain cholesterol. And yet we pour millions of dollars into research each year for cutting edge new drugs that give you (so claimed) a 20% reduction in heart attacks, while having dozens of unwanted side effects.

If you're relying on the government and industry to teach you how to be healthy and to provide the tools you need to do it, you're going to die young.

[–] BarryZuckerkorn 5 points 1 year ago

Dietary cholesterol isn't well correlated with serum cholesterol, which is what the paper you've linked is about. It even veers off into the natural conclusion if you believe that serum cholesterol is the only thing that matters: statin prescriptions for everyone!

[–] Hexagon@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago

Because it would hurt sales. Duh!

[–] fades 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Alcohol is a literal fucking toxin

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[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I wholly agree with the author of this article, but implementing something like this will meet a lot of resistance. Let's not forget that cigarettes are a relatively new phenomenon, whereas alcohol is something we've consumed as a species since prehistoric times. There are a lot of cultural, social, and historical ties to the use of alcohol that people won't let go easily and will make any attempt to reduce alcohol consumption an uphill battle.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Dooo it. They'll be a bit more tame, though, because moderate drinking is not nearly as deadly as smoking.

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[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Because those health warnings are meaningless to begin with. We know it's bad for us, we don't need a nanny state to hold our hands at the same time.

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[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Alcohol is a massive tax revenue in pretty much everywhere in the world, but especially here in Canada. It's pretty obvious when you see the difference in price of a beer here compared to the states, as 90% of that difference is purely taxes. Hell, you can tell the difference between the beer/wine costs in Ontario vs in Quebec. There's a reason why people in Ottawa and Gatineau constantly cross the boarder to buy their poison of choice.

That said, there's also the fact that when the States tried to ban it, they basically created some of the richest criminals in the world in like a single year. Alcohol is so ingrained into modern society that people riot over it.

Tobacco is a comfort luxury that pretty much anybody can get off of with some effort. Alcohol is a crutch that far too many people use to avoid going to some pretty dark places.

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Alcohol is a crutch that far too many people use to avoid going to some pretty dark places.

You could also argue, that alcohol leads to these pretty dark places in the first place. If your coping mechanism with problems in your life is to drink them away, well, that won't work in the long run.

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[–] Pat@kbin.run 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always thought the hypocrisy between alcohol and cannabis packaging is ridiculous. If cigarettes and cannabis need to be heavily restricted in terms of having simple, plain packaging with health warnings, anything for sale that can cause health issues should be subject to the same restrictions.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Warnings now do appear on the back of alcohol in the EU but they're usually small things on the back of the label stating the units of alcohol in the bottle & warning about drinking while pregnant or whatever.

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Because the alcohol industry is still profitable enough for special treatment.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No one recreationally smokes the same way that people might drink every once in a while.

You also have a lot of money spent by various alcohol manufacturers to keep alcohol from being treated like tobacco. If anything, drinking went up a lot with millennials.

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