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Slightly unrelated but I feel like there has been such a proliferation of -verses from the Metaverse to the MCU that I’ve developed a negative association with all -verses as a marketing ploy despite my love for the Fediverse specifically. While probably not a realistic replacement, I think it’s fun when people sometimes use “the Federation” as it makes us sound like a network of allied planets engaged in intergalactic combat in a pulpy sci-fi series.

Well the fediverse works. The fediverse is what internet was meant to be, before corporations sized it and made it the nightmare that centralised social media is. The "metaverse" is just Zuckerberg's desperation to maintain his decadent model of social media afloat.

We, the global media company, are proud to announce we have finally created the brainfuckinator from award winning sci-fi novel "don't build the brainfuckinator"

"Fediverse, not Metaverse" sounds like it would be great on a T-shirt.

I hope we can find a stable balance so that there will no longer be phases to the internet. I think federation is a move in the right direction for that purpose.

I think this fits the topic of free and open source software. those things are needed to end the cycle of venture capital and advertising destroying what should be public spaces.

What's funny about the "metaverse" is that by the definition from Snow Crash, the internet as we know it is already a metaverse: a bunch of distinct digital spaces which users are free to "travel" between, and the system as a whole isn't owned by any one group. Conversely, Meta's idea of the metaverse is, by definition, not a metaverse because it'd be owned by them as a platform.

You’re preaching to the choir.

"Metaverse" is mostly dead, anyway. It's basically turned into VR Bitcoin, and a worse version of the already existing VR.

A.I. seems to be the new shiny thing investors are moving into, and I'd be surprised if Facebook didn't just silently remove references to the metaverse eventually.

Fediverse, for the slightly cringey "verse" name, does seem to at least be trying something new. Federating multiple completely different sites like Mastodon, Kbin, or Lemmy isn't really something that was done before (that I can remember, feel free to correct if I'm wrong). You had some integrations with things like RSS and APIs before, but you couldn't just go on Twitter and post/reply/read a Reddit thread from within twitter, or you'd have to do it with a complicated network of bots.

Zuckerberg is sick and we should not pay attention to him.

Yes, the Fediverse is actually awesome. It's decentralized, there's so many open-source implementations, etc etc. The Fediverse is what Zuckerberg wishes the Metaverse could be.

I think that there was just too much negative association between Facebook's tomfuckery for the last 20 years and the Metaverse. There was no way to divorce the two. Young people didn't want to use it because Facebook is cringe, and old people didn't know how, or couldn't give two shits to learn how, to use it.

That and the Metaverse is using tech that was dated in the early 2000s. There were multiplayer online browser games that I played on as a kid that had better quality than the Metaverse. VRchat is 8 years old and is better in basically every way, and it's VRCHAT.

Long story short, they screwed it from the start by being the ones that made it. It might have worked if it weren't for the company making it.

Edit: Does anyone remember the fashion show they tried to put on in the Metaverse, where they sold crappy dresses for the game for like hundreds of dollars or something? Metaverse was designed to be a blatant and lazy cash grab, and that's why it turned into such an unmitigated cash sink.

There is an open source metaverse-like project called Third Room that is built on Matrix. I have not tested it too much, but still an interesting project

For starters the fediverse is real and it works, the metaverse is peering into Zuckerbergs asshole

Yes

Fediverse and the internet in general is already the metaverse. All we need to make it look like in sci-fi is for majority of users to interact with it in a 3D virtual space instead of 2D. XR technologies will get us there eventually but content on those platforms is lacking at best and is very far from general adoption.

The next big hurdle is large corporations trying to "create" the metaverse, which already exists, and control it. Which basically disqualifies anything they are doing from ever being the metaverse. I actually felt some degree of rage when facebook renamed themselves to meta, they single-handedly ruined public perception of the concept, anyone talking about it now in the general public is not taken seriously.

What's also missing of the metaverse right now is owning your identity and taking it with you everywhere you go, fediverse comes close to that concept but is far from perfect since it's pretty hard to interact with other fediverse technologies right now, if I'm on lemmy I don't see any way to consume/interact with mastodon content or kbin content. However being able to traverse every instance of lemmy out there using one account, hosted on a server run by myself or someone else is a start.

The metaverse is silicon valley's attempt to force mass adoption from the top down but tech has never worked like that. Mass adoption comes from the bottom up and selling a worthwhile product that makes peoples lives better. their only product is an aesthetic with a very limited niche at best.

i don't think we have anything to worry about, the metaverse is never going to be the next phase of the web. as someone who was enthusiastic about the whole vr boom at first & jumped to buy a quest, the vision zuck is pushing where everyone just has a quest 2/quest pro & uses it as a general computer or for social gatherings is unrealistic.

vr headsets are uncomfortable as hell to wear for more than a few minutes at a time, doing everything in the ui is clunky because you have to deal with vr virtual mice/keyboards, hand tracking is bad at non-gaming tasks & so are the controllers, the people look low poly, low res & uncanny, the screens cause eyestrain & have weird lines/dots, i could go on & on about the numerous reasons why my quest has been in my closet since last year but you get the point.

imo we're simply not far enough technologically to create a good metaverse experience. and even if we were, well, most people still aren't going to want to spend most their time in a headset staring that close at a screen

I think the "metaverse" is already dead. Zuckerberg tried to make it happen and it didn't, and Meta doesn't have the money to keep pumping into it. I think Meta will still produce the Quest headsets as a cheap alternative to the new Apple ones, but the idea of just hanging out in the metaverse is simply not going to happen.

I don't know whether the Fediverse will "happen" for the vast majority of people who aren't very tech savvy, but I'm enjoying it and it's replaced Reddit for me.

If anything is going to be the next big thing in tech though, it's AI. The fact that my 65+ year old parents know what ChatGPT is, and have used it, is unreal to me.

They aren't really mutually exclusive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk0nMlVXkbk

Meta is doing their best to make this vision come true, lol

Hey I just realized that there is a Fediverse community, if this is considered off topic I apologize I'd be happy to delete this. My bad.