Any government or governing body should be open to criticism. They are suppose to be working for the people they serve. How is anyone going to know better if no one tells them what they are doing wrong? @wriggly3171@sh.itjust.works you have my support
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πmy dude this is yet another reason why I like it here
The dude abides.
Yeah, it's not about levying criticism. It's about having an outsized agenda, arguing in bad faith, spamming the critiques where they don't below, trying to co-op a shared space to create an echo chamber, etc...
Right on! So I have a question, if I posted something that got me banned from lemmy.ml (such as an article criticizing the CCP for example) I would just not have access to the communities on that instance right? Like it won't affect my experience in other instances right?
Let's find out: The CCP is committing genocide against the Uighur people
If I get banned, it wasn't worth being here in the first place.
Agreed.
Adding the people of occupied Tibet to this.
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*Occupied Tibet
Mao Zedong was a little piss baby who hid in the mountains while the KMT fought the Japanese.
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I hope so, although it's not something I personally care too much about.
LMAO sexy communist Winnie the pooh was not on my itinerary today. And no I'm not aroused I'm just interested in the content.
Sexy?
Surely I'm not the only one wondering what kinda unit he's packing down there. My man looks awfully proud
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Hey man don't infringe on my ability to be degenerate in one instance and self-righteous in the next. Besides everyone has wondered about Winnie the pooh's genitals at some point. Right guys? Right?
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There's some talk about "a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately" in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.
Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.
Yeah. This is kinda gaslighting:
Weβve also seen a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately, and along with that comes anti-chinese racism,
No. Anti-china posts are not racist. We all hate Hitler Germany. Does that mean we are racist against Germans?
This sentence is fundamentaly flawed and shouldn't exist in the documentation.
It's an absolute gaslight. He doesn't mention that the subs closed down supported authoritarian regimes and were a safe space for violence and extremism where members regularly advocated for it.
But yeah it's typical authoritarian/fascist gaslighting.
To push back on this a little: there's definitely historical precedent for anti-regime sentiment bleeding over into anti-populace sentiment. To use your example of WWII, a lot of the anti-Japan sentiment bled over to anti-Japanese sentiment in the US in the form of internment camps.
Of course this was in the 1940s and I like to think that we've become a little bit less racist now. But I've noticed a lot more racist "jokes" on Reddit as anti-China sentiment has risen. Don't get me wrong, we should still criticize China for its many human rights abuses and imperialistic practices as well as their violations of personal freedoms in their citizens etc. etc. but we should also be aware that these criticisms will be used by racists to justify their views and their actions, and call it out when it starts becoming more about the people than the government.
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I mean they are commiting a genocide so that's probably not great.
The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism, but I always found the China obsession on reddit to be odd. While I don't think it should be banned outright, I think y'all ought to consider what is motivating such a weird fetish (because frankly that is) for a specific government.
There are plenty of awful regimes around the world, but China is unique in how powerful and dangerous it is.
In particular, if China were to invade Taiwan, which it has a stated intention of doing, then the TSMC chip fabsβthe only place on Earth capable of mass-producing modern electronic circuitsβwill almost certainly be destroyed in the fighting, and that will cause a global economic depression that'll make 2008 look like a minor inconvenience. That's a huge global threat.
I'm not a tankie and have no love for the government of China (or any government) but there is an extent to which criticism of China is deployed by xenophobes and nazis as a kind of socially acceptable rallying call or dog whistle. So, I'm all for criticizing China, but remember the allegory of the crustpunk bar
https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280892535024619522
I've always loved this allegory, but it can be applied to redfash as much as it can to xenophobes.
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Yeah idk what could possibly be the motivator for that, I mean it's not like they're currently in the middle of any genocides right? Or posturing about invading a certain island neighbour? Nah no way, they'd never do that!
As i stated: "The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism"
There is a point at which the criticism becomes a weird fetish though, and that is something that was a common occurrence on reddit. Likely moreso tied to nationalist politics and rabble rousing foreign policy that I personally have a disdain for.
As someone who lives in China, Iβll tell you your perspective on that isnβt wrong. People abroad too easily conflate what the Chinese govt. dues with Chinese people and βChinaβ. Their concerns are all valid, but people grossly overestimate how much impact regular Chinese folks can have on their own govt.
How happy are people in the US with their govt and how much control they have over it? Not enough right, well the Chinese have even less. Theyβre even less engaged, though, oddly, but because the stakes for caring and speaking up are so high. People abroad probably rightly wish the average citizen constrained their own govt more, but the reality is they donβt have a way to do it, so they just focus on daily life. Also, they are in a misinformation bubble like crazy.
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Unusual to word it as a fetish. Would you say there's a weird fetish for American focused criticism? Makes sense to me that the largest nations that have the most influence globally and all countries and companies have to tiptoe around garners the most focus and criticisms.
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There's a crazy amount of sinophobia on Reddit, but let's be clear, the people who fervently defend the Chinese government are being just as disingenuous.
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Exactly. Chinese capitalism is currently threatening American capitalism, so American media and american society more generally demonizes it. China is willing to offer cheaper loans to 3rd world countries than any western countries and banks like the IMF. Of course, this is still exploitative imperialism, but it is slightly less bad than the west. China. Of course, China treats its workers terribly, but it at least tries to reinvest the surplus it takes from those workers into domestic production and infrastructure. Tankies love to depict China as ontologically good because it opposes american hegemony and has a rapidly growing economy. They ignore its imperialism and domestic exploitation. Redditors, American exceptionalists, and their ilk depict China as ontologically evil, a threat to world peace, the most totalitarian country imaginable. They of course ignore the comparably bad conditions of America's puppet states and its domestic prison system. The reality is much more boring. Two capitalist nation states are fighting over their shares of the world market.
I'm not an American but it's hard to equate these two countries. While I don't love the US, you can't deny that the CCP literally runs concentration camps...
What would you call the places where the US detains immigrants? What would you call the enhanced interrogation techniques the US uses in guantanamo bay and CIA blacksites? What would you call the prisons where the US forces people to work without pay?
The US has used heavily militarized police and even tanks to crush civil unrest. The US doesn't just threaten to invade a neighboring island (like china threatens to invade taiwan), the US actually has invaded neighboring islands such as Cuba, Haiti (multiple times), the Dominican Republic, etc. None of this justifies any of China's actions, but it is important to know that nominally democratic nations can also act authoritarian.
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Yup, the flip side of the coin is that reddit really has a hate boner for China. The anti-CCP side has its own collection of nutty people, with a lot of the talking points tracing back to the ~~cult~~ nice people that send out all those Shen Yun flyers.
Shit's complicated. That said, banning all criticism of the Chinese government isn't the answer. We need to be smarter about the information that we digest.
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https://sh.itjust.works/c/fucktheccp hasn't been banned yet, so I guess yes.
Also lemmygrad is blocked here. As a person born in eastern block, fuck communism and tankies.
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Yo, fuck the CCP!!!!!!! If sh.itjust.works doesn't like it I'm out
This is why I didn't make an account on lemmy.ml. I check to make sure instances I join have banned lemmygrad.
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Hate to see tankies running the software and big parts of the platform.
I wouldn't even say "big parts of the platform". Beehaw, Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works have large enough userbases now to counterbalance Lemmy.ml
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Ooof the admins are weighing in on that linked thread at lemmy.ml and it's not a good look if you are in favor of human rights
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The great thing about Lemmy is that it's all decentralized. Lemmy.ml mods and admins can't do anything about other instances
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Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml are the two only instances where I encountered such criticism, so I assume that sh.itjust.works would allow it
yes, just post your anti-ccp shit here dude it's free dude dude free it's free dude
fuck xi jinping dude yes dude it's free dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
only fair to also get a bit of america criticism in too fuck trump fuck biden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
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Host is from Canada and the rules don't mention anything, so I would assume it's fine. Anyone know the host's account name to ask them?
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