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Yeah idk what could possibly be the motivator for that, I mean it's not like they're currently in the middle of any genocides right? Or posturing about invading a certain island neighbour? Nah no way, they'd never do that!
As i stated: "The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism"
There is a point at which the criticism becomes a weird fetish though, and that is something that was a common occurrence on reddit. Likely moreso tied to nationalist politics and rabble rousing foreign policy that I personally have a disdain for.
As someone who lives in China, I’ll tell you your perspective on that isn’t wrong. People abroad too easily conflate what the Chinese govt. dues with Chinese people and “China”. Their concerns are all valid, but people grossly overestimate how much impact regular Chinese folks can have on their own govt.
How happy are people in the US with their govt and how much control they have over it? Not enough right, well the Chinese have even less. They’re even less engaged, though, oddly, but because the stakes for caring and speaking up are so high. People abroad probably rightly wish the average citizen constrained their own govt more, but the reality is they don’t have a way to do it, so they just focus on daily life. Also, they are in a misinformation bubble like crazy.
I think this is the best take in the thread.
Also, as someone who's from there, it's just pretty weird seeing folks on there saying "f the ccp" to each other, sometimes adding a "but not the chinese people tho". Like what is the point of yall repeating this shit to each other. It makes me feel like I'm sort of excluded, and I think I cannot really have a more in-depth conversation with those people because I do not think they will really understand my situation and the world around me.
You’ve really hit the nail on the head.
Do the anti CCPers really care about people? Or is it just a hate boner/we love freedom meme?
The way it comes off it’s like there really just isn’t any depth too it and it seems really performative with little real substance.
Yeah, the reality is most online commenters haven’t been to China at all or for very much and their understanding of it is binary and Perry surface level. It’s a shame, really, but this goes across exposure to all cultures I think.
Having been subscribed to r/hongkong for the past few years, it was like seeing the government quash the voice of the people in real time. 😢
Aye everything about Hong Kong is and was sad, I love that place so much.
Unusual to word it as a fetish. Would you say there's a weird fetish for American focused criticism? Makes sense to me that the largest nations that have the most influence globally and all countries and companies have to tiptoe around garners the most focus and criticisms.
Preoccupation perhaps? I'd say a lot of people on the have a preoccupation with US-focused criticism. Though I agree it makes sense that countries like the US and China garner a lot more attention than say, Czechia or Kyrgisistan.
It's the extent of it that can get weird. It's everywhere. A thread about a knife attack in France is not an appropriate place to dunk on American shooting statistics.
I will say that I am personally more critical of the US, as I am an American, and therefore I feel personally responsible for the actions of my own government (even though I realistically have no personal control over it).
Something about reading a person with no power feeling responsible for the practices of the upper echelons of power and control makes me feel sad. Like the propaganda worked or something. I feel like there's a parallel to the environmental accountability. I can't remember the name of the approach, but it's very much a thing that:
Where one has power and control in minority, instead of dealing with it, make it seem as though the wide majority without power, control or benefit of X is in fact responsible for X, and they should feel bad and take accountability for X. Even though the unfortunate majority had no say in how the runnings of it were decided.
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It's the largest nation in the world, I think that tends to bring a lot of attention.