It's also a problem that's getting worse. When I was in school in the 2000s, like 80% of the kids took the bus and half of the remaining ones (like me) came by bike. Now my niece goes to the same school and she's one of very few kids still taking the bus there. The schoolyard turns into a chaotic mess of SUVs every morning. I guess it goes hand in hand with helicopter parenting becoming normalized.
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It also comes with cost of living growing to insane proportions. Fewer people can afford to live near their preferred school, some portion of which won't ride the bus. More students living further away will tend to increase demand for transportation and the increasing length of the bus ride will worsen the ratio of car to bus riders. Apparently we can't afford housing people near the resources they need to access these days.
With that said, I've seen the insane long line of cars waiting to enter a school and thought how glad I was not being in that line.
Yeah, cycling to elementary school on my own was one of my favorite childhood memories.
Unfortunately, nobody told me it was illegal to ride on the sidewalk, so I didn't realize I was being an asshole until I was a teenager.
You weren't being an asshole, you were breaking an unjust law. You were a hero, like Robin Hood.
Nah, bicycles belong on roads.
Yes, after cars are banned. Bicycles, especially bicycles carrying children, are allowed on sidewalks until then.
Sidewalks are more dangerous for bicycles. Especially for children!
Cars can't see you, and the accident rates are much higher for bicycles getting hit by cars when they ride on the sidewalk
Another almost guaranteed way of converting someone to the fuck cars mentality, ride a bike on the road and around traffic.
In relation to your post in the past I have worked as a parking CEO (civil enforcement officer - modern name for traffic warden)
We had to do school watches every day, covering different schools within our area and issuing fines to people that try to stop / park in areas around schools, particularly the yellow zig zags directly at the exits of the school.
The amount of abuse you got every time you were near a school, these idiots don't seem to realise you are there to try and enforce rules that help keep their children safe as well as others. Parents are some of the most entitled pieces of shit, especially around schools.
Like you say as well, most of these fucks driving to pick up their little shits live less than 5 minutes by car from the school.
Fuck them and their cars!
I know people who DRIVE to the school 2 blocks away from their home! It is just baffling to me! Okay let's say you just have to helicopter and go pick them up, you still have to DRIVE?! Just walk over! "Oh well it rains" _umbrella "but in winter" coats. Ffs it's two blocks.
I don't know anyone who drives two blocks to pick up their kids because I stopped hanging out with losers.
I've lived near a school, and you learn to avoid going out during drop off or pickup times. Driving, riding, walking, it doesn't matter.
It is not safe. At all.
It is not safe. At all.
That an area designed for our most vulnerable demographic is so dangerous that adults wouldn't want to be in it says a lot about North American culture.
says a lot about North American culture.
lol, I'm in Australia, but sometimes bad things are universal....
"Western culture"? 😂
I can't comment about school areas in other countries, but I've at least been a passenger in some non Western countries and it seemed very familiar 😱
If it's their kid everyone should slow down and be safe. If it's anyone else's kid then they're just in a hurry and you wouldn't understand
Yup I live across the street from a K-8 school. It floors me how the parents of these kids drive like maniacs right by the school where their own child and all their classmates go to school. If there where ANYwhere you'd think a parent of a young child would slow the fuck down it'd be by their kids school.
There are actually a lot of ways to slow down cars beyond asking nicely with signs. And it's not just speed bumps.
The way we design our roads psychologically encourages speeding. Shitty people are out there but road design is important too.
I have a video on the tip of my tongue that I'd like to link, demonstrating this, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now. Maybe later.
Edit: this one will do
The way we design our roads psychologically encourages speeding.
I think most "major" roads are like that, but the school I have to get to is in a subdivision that isn't busy. And people are still rolling through stop signs while looking at their phone. I think being in a car detaches people from the reality of what's going on around them. Like playing a video game from behind a windshield.
It's stuff you don't really think about like the visual width of the road and long straightaways that let you detach from the dangers of speeding. It's not just main arterial roads. Traffic calming can and should, arguably more than anywhere else, be employed in those back neighborhood roads as well.
For speeding, yes, you're right. I was talking more about general inattentiveness, bad judgment, actual malicious driving behaviour, and poorly skilled drivers. No amount of infrastructure can correct that! LOL
Yes it can.
I live in a small town, i went to school here, and i moved back a couple of years ago. Walking to school is now considered dangerous for children. Why you ask? Because half the parents drive their children to school, which means instead of having no cars around the school, there are now 50 cars around the school at the same time that children walk to school. I feel like i' taking crazy pills.
And I heard in a public consultation meeting about bike lanes that... get this... Adding bike lanes would make it dangerous for kids to get to school.
What backwards universe did we wake up in?
And that becomes a vicious circle as more children are driven to school, making it more dangerous to walk, so more are driven...
Welcome back to school kids. I hope you all had a good summer. Today we are going to play a game. It's called Frogger
Graduating from school in Canada or the US is basically "Congratulations on surviving not being killed by guns or cars!".
Now you can finally relax and enjoy repaying your $100K+ loan!
I lived in an apartment in view of a school. Me and my now wife used to sit on the balcony and play a game of counting the traffic violations and near crashes. it'd easily be 10 near crashes in a 30min period during pick up times. insanity.
Traffic infraction bingo sounds like fun! /s
Just wanted to throw in my reality living in a rural area and all the factors that lead into the same problem we have around here.
The walk to my middle school was 1 1/2 hours, 2 when distracted. All 4 lane highways, with no sidewalks. Bus drivers are in high demand with low pay/part time, bus routes can easily go into a 3 hour ride in the afternoon. There is typically 1 highschool per county (must keep the roster pool available for the sports teams), we're talking a 42 minute straight drive just to get there (so you can sit in trailers because they're over capacity).
They need to up the bus driver pay, de-stigmatize the position with people who are getting more than fair compensation so they can be proud of their work and a community member who very much actually, physically, is in the world of the growing citizens. Have an assistant who helps with the route and manages the adolescent children (bus shit was wild back in my day, like 3rd base shenanigans going on and I doubt it's stopped).
I guarantee you, no one having to drive through that shit-storm is enjoying or wanting that experience. Everyone's anxiety is high and they're still half asleep in the morning, with the potential to accidentally injure a child before you even get to work. Some of the counties have improved with better traffic techniques like time-regulated flow, roundabouts, and traffic assistants. But, it's still so depressing and makes you feel like you're in some industrial meat processing plant line.
It sucks either way. Having your kid get home at 6pm to start on homework (no internet on the bus, most assignments require connectivity) which can take hours, feed them, make sure they get ready for bed by 8-9, then start again at 5am because the bus shows up ass early before the world wakes up. Real public transit doesn't exist in a 80 mile radius around here, so there's really no other currently available options besides all the crappy scenarios being told that everyone rightfully hates.
1hr walk is like a 20minute bike ride. All they need is a dirt path that follows the road with 2m grass gap
The only near miss accident I've been in was next to a school, there were buses lined up at the side perfectly hiding a small parking lot and a small entrance gap. As I was heading down the main road I was being cautious, and just as I passed the gap me and my instructor both freaked the hell out and gunned it because someone in an SUV ignored the blind spots and just sped through the gap in the buses as fast as they could without looking for any oncoming traffic. Missed by maybe 6 inches, what is wrong with people
I saw a teenager get hit crossing at a crosswalk in front of a school. Red light, driver in the left turn lane didn't stop behind the line as the girl was crossing. She ended up on the hood and tossed.
I guess the only reason she wasn't severely injured was that she was hit by a car and not a monster truck.
in my commute there is a small school i think a kindergarten right on the exit of a highway, there atleast half a dozen "drive safely" white signs with a bunch of flowers and toys on them, around the intersection. Extra fucked thing is those are just the ones that the families still maintain...
I have to leave extra early during the school year because if I don't it takes like 5-10 minutes just to get through the section of the neighborhood that has the bus stop (which is in the middle of the neighborhood for some reason instead of by the entrance where it would make sense) because both sides of the street are lined with parents waiting on the bus in their cars and the street is only wide enough for one car to pass through at a time. They sit there and wait longer than it would take to just drive their kid to the fucking school.
Oh, I thought you were going to talk about kids drunk driving massive raised trucks with trump flags and truck nuts
Fuck kids, fuck cars, and fuck kids in cars
Or live near a church and have assholes park in front of your gate despite a sign saying not to.