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[–] apotheotic 121 points 1 year ago (12 children)

International sentiment generally negative about country actively committing genocide.

More at 11.

Jokes aside - yeah? Of course there's propaganda about China. I would wager its hard to find a big international power that doesn't have some level of propaganda being spread about it by the other big international powers. But between the propaganda you still find a bunch of real reasons to have negative views toward China's leadership and actions.

  • Uyghur genocide (ongoing)
  • authoritarian rule with huge censorship of outside media I really don't need to go on
[–] falsem@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

Can we add bellicose relations with a lot of their neighbors over the expansionist goals they're pushing?

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[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read this ‘article’. There are zero references towards the so called ‘China Bashing’. If it is so rampant, how hard can it be to just link to a few mainstream offenders? It alludes towards a deliberate bashing, once again without any links or merit. I am fully aware that news is hardly unbiased but come on, this is ridiculous.

[–] sludge 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

like, just off the top of my head there's that whole "spy balloon" thing.

[–] cnnrduncan 21 points 1 year ago

A Chinese corporation openly tested those spy balloons over my country a decade ago (allegedly just for monitoring livestock), why is it so unbelievable that they'd use a more polished version on their biggest geopolitical rival?

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you been following media recently or have you been living under a rock?

[–] GammaGames 54 points 1 year ago (11 children)

That’s not a defense. Opinion pieces can be fine, but if you’re claiming that something is off the charts you should probably have some charts (or any points of data) to prove the claim.

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[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 47 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I have been following media intensively. I am not saying that news about China is unbiased in the western media. I am calling out the lack of any sources in this weak ‘article’

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[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Everyday people need to remember the difference between the general Chinese population and the CCP. The Chinese people are wonderful. The CCP is horrific, and working tirelessly to create their own version of hell.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I second this. I love Chinese people and culture, hell, I'm even learning Chinese to be able to communicate with my Chinese gf's parents, however CCP ≠ Chinese people.

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody would deny this. On the other hand, it's the same argument as "not all Russians support Putin" or even---dare I say---"not all Germans were Nazis." It's true that when you live under a despotic regime there's not much you can do about it, individually. And most people would not willingly be complicit in the regime's crimes except to the extent that they have no choice.

But it's true that these regimes do have lots of internal support. They wouldn't exist without that support. And to the extent that this support is manufactured by internal propaganda, people within that message-space will not be able to resist having their own perceptions shaped by it.

So while it's undeniably true that the CCP is not the Chinese people, and that the Chinese people are the principle victims of the CCP, they also are complicit in a collective sense.

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[–] GroteStreet@aussie.zone 50 points 1 year ago

This article is prime "SelfAwareWolves" material...

Countering this in international media by offering more balanced views for a global audience is near impossible as censorship is rife. There almost seems to be a global compact to control the narrative, a propaganda war powered by today’s digital technology.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By that, you mean criticism of China's known actions that are detrimental to their neighboring countries and the world?

If you want to call that "anti-China", then sure, but it's an appropriate reason to be, just as appropriate as being "anti-Russia".

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[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 46 points 1 year ago

China: you can't talk bad about us!!!!

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 44 points 1 year ago

Just gonna drop an article about Naomi Wu, famous maker, as a counterpoint to all those who keep claiming free speech exists in China.

https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/p/naomi-wu-and-the-silence-that-speaks-volumes

[–] Pat@kbin.run 32 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's almost like if they want people to not hate their country they should stop being a corrupt authoritarian hellhole

[–] alyaza 13 points 1 year ago

to be clear: the "they" here is the chinese government rather than the chinese people, correct? your comment is a little ambiguous

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[–] furrowsofar 26 points 1 year ago (11 children)

China is the one county that could just tell Russia to get out of Ukraine. Same with North Korea. Just look at who they hang out with and you know quite a lot.

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[–] insurgenRat 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

While it is true that insane propaganda is off the charts, for example in my own country Australia we're chaining ourselves to the fading star of the usa and the UK militarily despite having:

  • different trade interests
  • different geopolitical interests
  • different cultural interests

all while the usa government tries it's hardest to undermine our economic policy, erase our culture, and distort our politics towards their own demended lines.

There is zero evidence the chinese government does not want to do the same. They have interfered in our media, our education systems, there has been stupid petty trade squabbles with both "sides" using us for their own ends.

When chinese diplomats speak to our media, even in excruciatingly fair interviews, the pattern is the same slimey deny deny deny and legal quibble that usa diplomats engage in. Their media is insanely critical of Australian life too.

There are no good guys in this power struggle and looking for one is childish thinking.

Even this article refuses to address the notion that the chinese government has ever conducted itself in a condemnable manner.

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[–] ArtZuron 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

McCarthyism's back yo! Or, rather, it never really left.

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