Not only the billionaires, even the millionaires, and all the people taking the plane more than once a year. It is an ecological crime the pollution of air transport.
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fun fact. modern planes consume ~3-4l per 100 passengers per km or 3-4l per passenger per 100km.
efficient ICE cars consume ~6l per passenger per 100km.
add to that, that there's basically no good alternative to fast very long distance or cross-continent transport
Edit #2: ICE is a type of train in germany. I mistook "ICE cars" as meaning trains and was wondering how flying is supposed to be more efficient than trains. Hence my confusion.
OG comment (invalid, see Edit #2): Where are these numbers coming from?
I cannot find any source for the 3-4l/passenger/km claim. I cannot find any source for the claim that planes are more efficient. Nothing comes even near this claim.
https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint
https://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/rail-and-waterborne-transport
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49349566
Can you please provide a source?
Edit #1: I just want to add that my old combustion car (VW Up! / Seat Mii / Skoda Citigo) burned around 4.2l/100km. So I according to you, if I had another person with me, I'd beat both planes and trains with what stands uncontested as the most inefficient form of transport?
efficient ICE cars consume ~6l per passenger per 100km.
More like 6L per 100km, whatever the number of passengers, I suppose. So it's usually still less than planes.
And there are better alternatives like trains or buses, which can be actually efficient for long distance travels (high speed trains, night travel. Works well from city centre to city centre)
There is also the additional issue of contrails which are a massive factor of greenhouse effect
Is that planes that are packed to the gills or private planes that actually have space that people aren't crammed into?
Also, 3-4/6 liters of what? ICE cars and modern planes aren't burning the same fuel, so I'm not sure what this is intending to portray by directly comparing how much of each (in liters) that they burn (serious question, no snark)
One plane flight a year? What if I want to return home the same year?
You don't, wait the next year or don't leave home.
The trick is to go a week before new year's
What’s magical about that once-a-year limit? I find that quite a lot already.
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Yeah gotta agree with you. I have to fly a good amount, both families live over 2000 miles away, it's unavoidable. But I change what I can in society, I am switching to an EV, I pay extra on my electricity to pay for green sources, and I overall try to lower my carbon footprint.
As soon as they come out with an alternative fuel airline I'll be flying on that as much as possible, but until there are alternatives I'm stuck flying.
Admittedly, I am one of those people taking a plane well over once a year, although I really rather wish I weren't - I haven't had a personal trip in over four years, it's all onsite implementation.
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ANY effective, long-term collective change REQUIRES that the large majority of people CHANGE THEIR CONSUMPTION HABBITS. While not great, the private plane stuff is exactly as pointless as the paper straws. Both are ways for everyone to point the finger at everyone else, and not have to change.
If the government implemented the "correct" laws tomorrow, but the populace doesn't want to change their habits, they will vote in people that give them back their old, bad things.
If a company implemented to "correct" processes, but the consumers don't want to pay the necessary price, they go bankrupt, and the company with the "incorrect, but cheap" processes wins.
ALL COLLECTIVE ACTION IS A COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUAL CHANGE. There is no alternative!
This is why we are doomed.
I can’t argue with that. There needs to be immediate change on all fronts.
This means that I wont suck on a paper straw while mr CEO flies in his private jet. Dead easy.
So far, there have mostly been changes that target the lives of people who already have a small CO2 footprint. I don’t even own a car for example.
The mere existence of private jets is an atrocity while the „lesser“ of us need to invest time and effort to change their ways.
https://greenisthenewblack.com/private-jets-are-uncool-environmentally/
Obviously, there are those of us who like to leave their v8 running while in the grocery store and they absolutely need to stop. No emptying the ashtray on the street or going to starbucks every day and get a one use cup every time. But still, I‘m done listening to people telling me I‘m not doing enough.
You’re talking about two different ways to screw the environment. One is the rampant plastics pandemic, the other is carbon emissions. Paper straws are meant to combat the first, not the second.
While that's true, I think the complaint here is that the the law deliberately harms poor people only. Instead of banning individual plastic applications, we should be taxing literally all plastics and letting consumers decide what's worth it. And if we are to take a case-by-case class warfare approach, we should be going after the excesses of the wealthy - like private jets.
It's not that they're the same thing, it's that they both hurt the environment and are treated very differently.
Wait till they find out what plastic is made out of and how that impacts carbon emissions.
Or simply drink like a fucking adult
In my experience, women tend to opt for straws when wearing lipstick and everyone opts for them when too much ice gets in the way of a good sip.
Can we stfu about the straws? We get it, wah wah
boohoo i'm being forced to use a plastic straw after polluting too much
its not my fault its the billionaires who got rich off the industries i support
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Where do these mushy straws reside? I'm not one to get fast food or go to restaurants very often but it's always plastic.
In California. I carry around a silicone straw all the time now because I want a straw that fucking works at being a straw.
Paper straws are everywhere where I live I've also seen sugar cane and pasta stir sticks.
In my area I can sometimes find these light blue colored ones that are super rigid, I think they're made of agave? Regardless of the material, I think they're actually just better than plastic for once.
Name one time we solved a systemic problem through individual action. You solve systemic problems with systemic solutions.
i don't know why they need to be mutually exclusive. individuals in communities with other individuals are what comprise a system. its all built from people.
Totally agree, everyone's right! Our individual environmental impact is tied proportionally to our individual wealth, so anyone who isn't exceptionally wealthy probably isn't making an exceptional impact. Together though, the collective impact of everyone who don't make an exceptional impact is exceptional. Now if only environmental and social responsibility were proportional to wealth too, but they seem to be inversely related, at least in my opinion.
I don't even want a straw, I prefer drinking from the side of the cup and save the environment even a little more bringing my own fave cup and asking for no straw!
And yes, billionaires really do go brrr while I do all this
change the first line to 'happily using a non-plastic straw to help the environment' then this meme will improve 1000x
Don’t use a straw at all; it’s less waste and more convenient