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[–] jboyens 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The problem that I have with the way Apple does this has nothing whatsoever to do with me. It's their device, it is not possible for me to care any less about it.

No, the problem I have is that it becomes a severe bullying / exclusion tactic among kids. Now, kids will always find something to bully other kids about, but this one seems to hurt a lot because of the source of the ire and the inability to do anything about it (short of purchasing an Apple device).

My eldest was excluded from group chats with friends because they "ruined" the quality of pictures and videos by being in the group chat. These are friends mind you, not the sort of bullies the rest of us might've had. It's devastating to kids when their friends exclude them like this. What do you do? You can't complain about the technology not mattering, you can't reason with it, you can't say: "it gets better".

Kids these days have a very different relationship to technology. That relationship can seem weird or "wrong" to folks who remember a time before these ubiquitous devices. Crap patterns like this creating artificial walled gardens are not "novel" or "creative" ways to increase sales.

[–] Benghandhi 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell, adults and "friends" of mine really seem to care that I have an android. They constantly bring it up as if they think bullying another adult into buying their specific product will somehow work or maybe they think that it bothers me or something. I could not care less. Start a new chat without me and the other android users? Cool, go ahead. Spoiler: they won't.

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[–] ozoned 42 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Hang on ... I set a picture on MY phone and then anyone I call sees MY picture? Oh yeah, can't see how this'll go wrong. How long before dick picks are sent, or advertisements, or someone finds a way to use it to hack someones phone.

I can see this could be useful, especially folks with eye sight issues (but how would this affect blind folks?), but it's just another way to tell someone who is calling. I don't answer my phone unless they're in my contact book already.

This seems eh to me, but I'm not an Apple person anyway.

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[–] mici01@feddit.de 41 points 1 year ago

TBH I don't really want want to anything to do with people that see me as less because I don't have a fancy calling animation anyway.

[–] FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unfortunately this is what makes iPhones "iPhones"

They bring out features that generally make the phone part of the smartphone better to use.

RCS is still a mess on androids. And calling on iPhones is about to feel very modern while android phones will still be calling people the same way people did 20 years ago.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who the fuck is using their phone to call people? ;)

[–] FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tbh Only spammers and scammers lol

[–] SomethingBurger 8 points 1 year ago

Not true, I also get calls from my real estate agency and my car's retailer, two of the most honest jobs there can be.

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[–] turninggears@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When you say RCS is a mess on Android, what do you mean? I personally have not had issues.

[–] fadedmaster@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's been fine for me too. But I would guess they mean carriers being slow to adopt it.

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[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there even a difference between how iPhone and android calling 'feels'? They're both the exact same as 20 years ago lmao its a phone call, it's been replaced by like a thousand apps by now

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[–] sickmatter@fedia.io 35 points 1 year ago

Oh no, Apple develops Apple-specific features to add value to their products! Someone alert the Department of Justice! My bubbles will NOT be discriminated against!

[–] Kurt@lemmy.one 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I never understood the complaint. If iPhone users don't like the way Apple messaging works with Android contacts, they can just use an alternative like Whatsapp. Right?

[–] NotAnArdvark@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm my experience, if iPhone users don't like the way Apple messaging works with Android contacts, they bitch at the person using Android telling them to get an iPhone.

[–] Gecko@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's interesting how different the experience is inside the US vs the rest of the world. In Europe, where Android holds a majority, basically everyone is using 3rd party chat apps like WhatsApp, Signal, etc...

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[–] Kurt@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It doesn't even occur to them that they also break features on the Android users' ends as well, but I only see iPhone users complaining. It really isn't that big of a deal to share a file over SMS/MMS with a link rather than trying to share the actual file directly. Is that difficult to do on an iPhone?

[–] SterlingVapor@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

My dad likes to send me videos. He sent me one yesterday... It seemed like he was at a harbor by the 8 pixels that got through

He also frequently emails me from his phone. I used to ask him to send videos to my email. Even tried to coach him through the process -surely they must have a share button?

I think iPhones are designed around the idea that "either it just works, or you shouldn't be doing it at all".

Even my technical friends seem to forget the fact they understand how all of this works the minute they look at their phone - I had to coach one through uploading a larger video to Google drive and sending me the link. My brother in Christ, we use GitHub together. We use Google meets regularly. We used Dropbox in college. Why are you acting like I told you to put it on a flash drive and mail it to me?

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[–] FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's mostly an issue that android users in the US don't use what's app

[–] EvilColeslaw 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Facebook Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp here. So it's not like there aren't alternatives.

[–] Kurt@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The point is that it's not really Android users' problem. There are options for iPhone users and, yes, if they really want to use the native iPhone messaging app they can complain to Tim Apple. Cc: @FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt

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[–] EvilColeslaw 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Or they can bitch at Apple to fix their SMS/MMS problems.

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[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean the right answer is something like Signal, but you have to really beat on people for that.

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[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The solution is to just use something like Signal.

[–] WarMarshalEmu@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately most of the US user base would rather cling to any sort of elitism than actually search for a solution to an invented problem.

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[–] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

All these text and emoji features that are being added into apple but are not compatible with Android: this seems like a problem....

Until you download signal.

It has great features for group messaging, video calling, emojis and is generally feature rich.

And it's end-to-end encrypted when messaging other signal users.

It's available on iOS and Android.

[–] diemunkiesdie@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The hard part is getting others to join. If all of your fam has iPhones and you are the one Android person, getting them all to join Signal just for you is a tall order.

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[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 27 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Just use signal. In general.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.house 20 points 1 year ago

No way would i use an iphone. I outgrew its capabilities in 2010, spent 3 years not updating until i could get an untethered jailbreak and finally gave it up in 2013. I have helped people with iphones and ipads since then and nothing has convinced me to go back.

[–] misguidedfunk 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this could’ve great if it was an open standard but that’s not the apple way.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lodronsi 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember this and thought I was crazy. There was an article linked somewhere on Lemmy last week that addressed this. It seemed like it was a Steve Jobs special - no one knew he was going to promise that. Subsequently, they got tangled up in a patent dispute with someone who owned a very vague communications protocol patent. That outcome has been appealed, from both sides, in courts basically since then.

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[–] confetti_8tVST5@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Took some time but got all my contacts to switch over to signal so apple can go screw themselves

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[–] Djokkum@rammy.site 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

RCS could have been great if e2e were baked in from the start. Apple would not have had such a strong argument to stay with its own standard and we might not have found ourselves with this divide.

[–] NattyNatty2x4 11 points 1 year ago

Apple doesn't need an argument to stay with their own standards lol. Their reasoning is and has always been to make it harder and/or less appealing to leave their ecosystem in any way. Any arguments they make are fabricated after the fact

[–] raresbears@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is it just me that has literally never heard anyone bring up the colour of bubbles irl? Like I've seen people talk about it on the internet from time to time but never in the real world.

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[–] dave@lemmerz.org 11 points 1 year ago

Nobody except nerds like us care about RCS.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

The EU is already legislating to solve this. They are forcing open APIs on iMessage with the DMA.

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