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If Reddit were to revert it's changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

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[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most of the people fleeing Reddit aren't leaving just because of recent changes. A lot of people were already looking for alternatives, yet failing to find one active or familiar enough. So now we're here.

[–] fred 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.

[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Agreed. I've been enjoying this site so far but I know most of my friends would hate it. It needs better UI. They also needa ELI5 all the fediverse shit and then have a TL;DR easily accesible to new visitors.

Or we(the community) needa ELI5 that shit, people can make memes about them, and maybe rename the fediverse because it sounds too generic.

[–] darkkite@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://calckey.social/tags/Reddit has the best ui i've seen in the fediverse but it's for mastodon

It definitely looks amazing. Though no downvote button made me avoid Mastodon altogether.

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[–] communist 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Honestly, there's a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.

That and a little jank here and there but that's bound to get buffed out.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1048

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/1156

[–] fred 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree those two changes would be good. Along with making the ability to add topic sorting or community grouping where you can view say, all β€œtechnology” communities in a url. Or all Linux communities across instances in a big group etc.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It's literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn't actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That's it.

[–] fred 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's too abstract for people. I think we're all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.

When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn't stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.

It ain't rocket science.

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[–] grant@toast.ooo 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

after I found out about the fediverse I've wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn't already popular

[–] Stormyfemme 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For most people it’s just a bit too arcane.

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

This is a great point!

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, they'd have to

  1. Replace /u/spez
  2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
  3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

[–] roseh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I already like the community here more

[–] sparklingsquirrel@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same. I'll definitely stay here.

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[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif

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[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Link? That's not good news :/

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[–] Anon2971 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.

Reddit's reaction to API change criticisms showed how little they value the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all important questions (like the extortionate pricing justification) whilst trashing Apollo's developer... They've shown their real colours.

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it'd be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don't care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Reddit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to alternative community discussion platforms like Lemmy with smaller, more refined, engaged userbases.

I'm actually excited to see where things go from here. Maybe Reddit will become a home of doomscroll content like memes whilst more serious discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better!

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

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[–] Kettellkorn@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my β€œsocial media”

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[–] 108beads 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 "mistakes" ago. I'm never going back.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im not going back after that AMA they showed their face and it was very very ugly (not that spez looks good in person either)

[–] sleepyTonia@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Oh, so he ended up doing it?
Edit: Darn it, that's right. /r/AMA went private. Is the thread archived somewhere?

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[–] robocop@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

[–] pinwurm@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm seeing how things play out.

I certainly like Lemmy and I could very well use both for a while. I'm mostly worried my favorite subs (especially my local City sub) won't migrate or be an active enough group here. Time will tell. I want to follow the community, not the platform.

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[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 8 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

[–] artic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

use both lemmy and reddit

[–] gabuwu 6 points 1 year ago

Lemmy is too good to leave. I don't think I'm alone either. I was wanting an alternative for a while.

[–] Anissem@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

[–] hbar@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.

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For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

[–] Vivi 6 points 1 year ago

I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I probably won't permanently boycott them if they revert, but won't leave here either.

[–] Han_Yolo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Me too. I like it here

[–] NebulaBC 5 points 1 year ago

I honestly think most people would go back just out of habit. Even if they don’t go back, once things calm down. I’d absolutely love people to move to fedi, but I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

[–] goddamnpipes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I don't intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn't like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There's still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'd go back. I notice the bot content has gotten bad on Reddit, but the communities I follow are still okay.

[–] caffeineplease@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.

Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.

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[–] Subito 5 points 1 year ago

They've made it clear they won't. And since most subs are only going dark for a measly 48 hours they have no incentive to. It's literally like that "Oh no, anyway..." meme.

And think of it this way: even if you they revert the changes (or you just decide to please /u/spez and only use the official app) do you think the platform will continue to get better or worse? He's shown his hand it's nothing good for the mods or the users.

[–] dr_doorknob@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would stay on both. Keep reddit just for the more specific subreddits I like that aren't big here.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've wanted to leave since the old shitredditsays days (had the handle /u/outwrangle ), but back then there weren't any good alternatives (SA cost actual money and Tumblr went to shit after it was acquired by Yahoo) so I stayed on leddit out of a lack of alternatives.

The blackout is just the brd finally coming to free us from the hellsite. I will never return.

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