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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Going outside awful's wheelhouse for a bit:

Logan Paul doxed and harassed a random employee for posting a sign saying Lunchly was recalled

You want my take, the employee in question (who also got a GoFundMe) should sue Logan for defamation - solid case aside, I wanna see that blonde fucker get humbled for once.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I hated seeing that guy just wanting to live his life dragged into weird net drama and pushed under the bus by his company. And wow look at how collected and reasonable he was compared to anyone else in the story.

All Mr. Paul had to do was shut the hell up for once and the world'd still be talking about his moldy cheese bread instead of about his moldy cheese bread and how he bullies and doxes retail workers.

All Fred Meyer had to do is be like "whoops looks like the product recall procedure at that store was vague recollections, we'll get a policy in place".

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago

The sole silver lining of this situation is that Logan's deplorable behaviour probably scared at least a few shops away from stocking Lunchly - not just because of the risk you end up selling some mold-ridden garbage (most likely to kids), but because you risk Logan starting a harassment campaign against you or your store.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago

The AI lawsuit's going to discovery - I expect things are about to heat up massively for the AI industry:

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Quick update - Brian Merchant's list of "luddite horror" films ended up getting picked up by Fast Company:

To repeat a previous point of mine, it seems pretty safe to assume "luddite horror" is gonna become a bit of a trend. To make a specific (if unrelated) prediction, I imagine we're gonna see AI systems and/or their supporters become pretty popular villains in the future - the AI bubble's produces plenty of resentment towards AI specifically and tech more generally, and the public's gonna find plenty of catharsis in watching them go down.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Personally, I'd love to see the Luddites be rehabilitated as a result of the Great Bullshit Collapse. They were just regular folks fighting for dignity in work, and it's tragic how successful the bastards have been at erasing them from history.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Judging by some stray articles from WIRED and The Atlantic, Merchant's likely done plenty to rehabilitate the Luddites' image.

I suspect Silicon Valley's godawful reputation and widespread hatred of AI have likely helped as well - "machinery harmful to commonality" may be an unfamiliar concept to Joe Public, but "AI is ruining the Internet/taking your job/scamming your parents" is very fucking tangible to them.

Pulling out a previous post of mine, the NFT craze likely helped indirectly, by killing technological determinism's hold on the public and badly wounding Silicon Valley's public image.

Of those two, technological determinism's death was probably the more important one - that idea's demise meant the public was willing to entertain that new tech developments from Silicon Valley could be killed in their crib, that they wouldn't inevitably become a part of public life, for worse or (potentially) for better.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

nfts damaged public image of crypto beyond recovery, fine. tech in general, i'm not so sure

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd say they did do some damage to tech's wider image by becoming a pop-culture punchline and a mark of shame rolled into one.

Incidents like Seth Green's Ape getting kidnapped, the public exploitation of George Floyd's death and the legendary dumpster fire that was The Red Ape Family, plus the onslaught of dogshit NFT art and the nonstop scams and deception within the NFT/crypto sphere all led NFTs to become widely and rightfully panned, with NFTs getting unflatteringly compared to beanie babies and NFT profile pics getting either right-click saved to mock their supposed "ownership" or blocked on sight, depending on how people generally felt.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago

It is refreshing to see the general trend of people laughing when promptbros try to paint themselves as the Wright Brothers Reborn, isn't it?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 days ago

my point is that these incidents were mostly mentally filed to "crypto" and were not generalized to wider tech industry

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Look who are in the news again, has it been six months again?

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Stephanie Kirchgaessner is the deputy head of investigations for Guardian US, based in Washington DC

Hannah Devlin is the Guardian's science correspondent, having previously been science editor of the Times. She has a PhD in biomedical imaging from the University of Oxford.

so is it that both these fuckers are ideologically bankrupt, or are they willing complicit ghouls?

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 23 points 5 days ago (14 children)

eigenrobot:

almost every smart person I talk to in tech is in favor of mandatory eugenic polygynous marriages in order to deal with the fertility crisis. people are absolutely fed up with the lefty approach of using generational insolvency as a pretextual cudgel to install socialism.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago

almost every person in tech (...) to deal with the fertility crisis

Why would we be listening to "tech" to deal with "the fertility crisis"? Why is "tech" concerned with "fertility"?

Stay in your fucking lane, will ya. How about mandatory eugenic polygynous marriages to address the growing crisis of open-source development? The crisis of newest C++ standards not being implemented in the popular compilers quickly enough? The crisis of Node.JS existing?

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago

Oh, he's apparently riffing on this https://xcancel.com/nic__carter/status/1851719672456188197

Knowing the context doesn't really change anything about this tweet though.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 20 points 5 days ago

Every person I talk to — well, every smart person I talk to — no, wait, every smart person in tech — okay, almost every smart person I talk to in tech is a eugenicist. Ha, see, everybody agrees with me! Well, almost everybody…

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 19 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Man, I didn't even know how to react to this nonsense. The obvious sneer is to point out that if the alternative is to interact with people like ER here we really shouldn't be surprised to see a declining birth rate. But I think the more important takeaway that this hints at is that these people are dumb and fundamentally incurious.

Like, there's plenty of surveys and research into why people are having fewer kids than they used to, and it's not because toddlers are little hellions more so than in the past. And "generational insolvency" is a pretty big fucking part of the explanation actually, as is empowering families to choose whether or not to have children rather than leaving it entirely up to the vicissitudes of biological processes and horniness. The latter part cuts both ways, in that people who want families are (theoretically; see above re: financial factors) able to take advantage of fertility treatments or IVF or whatever and have kids where they historically would have been unable to do so.

But no, rather than actually engage with any of that or otherwise treat the world like other people have agency they have identified what they believe to be the problem and have decided that the brute application of state power is the solution, so long as that power is being applied to other people. For all that we acknowledge the horrors of fascism, I think the stupidity of these people is also worth acknowledging, if for no other reason than to reinforce why this shit shouldn't be taken seriously.

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[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Had a first-hand AI encounter today at the grocery store. The self-checkout now has a script that monitors an overhead video feed to make sure you're not getting tricky about what scanned and what got put into the bagging area, and if it thinks you're shady it will stop you from proceeding and summon an employee with no notification that something is wrong.

The new self-checkout process is as follows:

  1. Scan your item
  2. Hold the item plainly before you so the overhead camera doesn't get confused, looking like a Catholic priest about to deliver communion.
  3. Place item in bagging area. Try not to have to shift things around to find a place.
  4. Swear as the nom-mutable voice instructions tell you to bag "your... Item." Legitimately feels like they got as far as assembling the voice lines before anyone realised that having the compu-checker read every purchase out loud would lead to at best an unworkable cacophony if not several immediate lawsuits.
  5. GOTO 1

Even as antisocial and impatient as I am I've found self-checkout to be a UX disaster, but somehow it keeps getting worse.

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 18 points 5 days ago

Was browsing ebay, looking for some piece of older used consumer electronics. Found a listing where the description text was written like crappy ad copy. Cheap over-the-top praising the thing. But zero words about the condition of the used item, i.e. the actually important part was completely missing. And then at the end of the description it said... this description text was generated by AI.

AI slop is like mold, it really gets everywhere and ruins everything.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A woman was scheduled to give a talk at an AI conference. The organizers run her photo through an AI image expansion program to get the aspect-ratio right (how did we ever manage to show photos of speakers before AI existed?).

The AI image expansion invents a bra / undershirt which wasn't visible in the original photo.

https://xcancel.com/elizlaraki/status/1846252781851890026

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

russian dude generates botslop on dating apps, makes 5000+ girls talk to bot, chooses the one that stayed with chatgpt: https://xcancel.com/biblikz/status/1752335415812501757#m

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