HonoredMule

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[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

While there is no established, traditional definition, I'm pretty comfortable with the one I invented (claiming no originality, but so far not finding it elsewhere):

the intersection of working class and capital class

I think it captures the underlying idea that a middle class person is somewhere between the two real classes (rulers/owners and subjects/workers) in a way that dovetails with democratic ideals: collective self-rule/governance and economic self-determination/independence.

Further explanation:To fit this definition, you need to be wealthy enough to own real assets (like your home, a small business, a farm, etc.) but you can't be so wealthy that you (and the rest of your household) don't need to work (unless you've all reached retirement age). It's still a loose definition -- does owning a car count, is a house really yours with a mortgage, etc. and why doesn't being able to afford renting an opulent apartment count -- but that's because to me it's not about lifestyle or social status. It's only partly about how well your needs are met. Power coupons have real influence, but money is still only a social construct -- and worse it's based on power taken from someone else. It can and will be manipulated by those who already have the most of it. But assets and especially land have intrinsic value based on utility that cannot be indirectly manipulated; when the price of land goes up, what's really happening is the value of money going down.

I think the heart of the matter is, what is the nature of your stake/holdings within your own country? Do you have a form of power and agency that the political machinery must respect but does not revere? The numbers aren't what matters and would necessarily vary wildly across the nation anyway. What matters is how vulnerable you are to the effects of wealth inequality. That vulnerability is what should be getting highlighted, and I think it captures what was on people's minds back in the 90s as they talked about the middle class shrinking. It was not just wealth but power concentrating either on you or (far more likely) away from you.

In capitalism, capital is the only real power and politics only a moderating force. So the health of a democracy can be measured by the distribution of power -- i.e. the size of the middle class. While you can live a good life in the lower class (which may be inescapable due to such things as being disabled), it's by the grace of whomever holds power over you or the social systems that a majority (hopefully) dictates shall respect persons rather than property and ability. The lower class has no intrinsic power, so when middle class falls below majority

Below middle class, you are disenfranchised even if you still have a vote, because the economy sees you only as a burden and markets have no natural incentive to consider you. If you are lower class and the system hasn't the grace to protect your interests and quality of life, that is the system's failure. Above middle class you are privileged with the capacity to force economic changes others do not want, and on top of having a vote the political system will defer to you wherever you hold the capacity to help or harm -- and ignore the voting power of your lesser opponents. That's to say nothing of your ability to influence lower and even some middle class people to vote your interests instead of their own. If you are upper class and the system hasn't the fortitude to both constrain and redistribute your power, that is the systemic failure that most erodes middle class power. Once middle class no longer holds the majority of power, capitalism spirals into "late stage" and steadily grows the lower class while undermining their supports.

Middle class is where fair equity lies, by virtue of resilience against the abuses of wealth inequality. And yet though it should be as big as possible, middle class is the only one that can definitely be entirely empty.


[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I think that's a gross mischaracterization. Commitment to keeping your word is not solely a matter of pride. At best having to break your word suggests a need for greater care in giving it.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This conversation has inspired me to generalize my vow, in a manner that I think I can comfortably advocate for all Canadians regardless of partisan affiliation:

No MP under a party leader who has held majority government for at least one year shall be considered eligible for my vote under a FPTP electoral system.

If you get a shot and you don't take it, you're out.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Trudeau did me a real solid by resigning. 2015 was the last time I voted Liberal and I'd since vowed never to vote for a Liberal under Trudeau again until electoral reform was delivered. If everything else today was identical but swap Carney with still Trudeau, I'd be seriously conflicted.

I think I have a pretty even-handed opinion about him that fairly considers his strengths and failings overall. But I can never see still having FPTP as anything less than a cynical, partisan betrayal of the nation. It is the singularly important time that he chose to rule rather than represent, and by extension denied Canada our best chance to rehabilitate our own demons. Instead, the reasserted disenfranchisement powered growing anti-establishment movements that aren't even completely wrong while they threaten our very core values.

Addendum: to clarify, I'm not saying I think he deliberately put party over country. His choices and conclusions, however, demonstrated motivated reasoning at its finest. I think history has already proven him wrong. And while his own views evolved enough that he could acknowledge his mistake, he still didn't try to fix it.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

The rise of independents looks significant too. Maybe it's down to some riding with CPC candidates getting snubbed and then pulling the local support they had.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

Its interesting (and not particularly surprising) that as Poilievre is cornered into distancing himself from Dumpster, some of CPC's most recent decline matches a small PPC uptick. I'd wager that'll continue. LPC on the other hand is riding so high they pretty much had to come down some, and where they (marginally) go next is anyone's guess, likely mostly up to whatever minor events arise during the campaign rather than anything already set in motion.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Canada has the longer runway because:

  • better social safety nets and not federally leveraged to the hilt
  • Canadian allies willing to lend both short-term financial aid and long-term mutually beneficial economic partnerships, vs U.S. former allies that will absolutely respond to them as we are doing (I think this is the realization that has Dumpster running scared; he's finally figured out the biggest economy in the world is still no match for the entire Commonwealth + EU)
  • national unity vs escalating unrest -- practically every U.S. move is strengthening our unity and dividing the states further
  • the volume of private industry being harmed stateside is way more powerful than the U.S. civil infrastructure, whereas I'm not sure which side is bigger here but the difference in relative sizes isn't even comparable -- plus plenty of our private business has chosen solidarity anyway
  • more stateside jobs vulnerable to supply disruption than Canadian jobs in the supply chain (possibly even per capita, but definitely in absolute numbers)
  • public perception: to some extent, we can outlast the U.S. as long as we think we can (this is the factor that's hard to maintain and a big reason why some things would only be said in private)

What Canadians would be afraid to hear probably sits somewhere in the ballpark of promising he's ready to gamble countless Canadian jobs and security on the position already taken. Some form of politely but firmly and explicitly challenging Dumpster to his face -- calling his bluff. Other possibilities include sharing threats/promises on how the government has prepared* to respond further in some scenario. Basically some strong counterthreat that probably isn't a bluff.

*privately, to avoid panic, internationally-seen escalation/harming Canada's image, or fueling propaganda for anti-Canadian sentiment

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

I don't even think there's much chance Dumpster has gotten better at reverse psychology and is trying to reframe Carney's alignment. He's just not remotely capable as an actor. Plus anyone devious enough to make that play can probably tell that the most masterful execution of that is still an incredibly long shot.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm already seeing signs of Dumpster being the one to bend the knee. While responding to questions about this, he dialed the rhetoric way back, instead pivoting away from his promise of more tariffs to "nice talk" and then other nations entirely. When was the last time he said 51st state, or Canada isn't viable? Now it's Vance on the sidelines claiming we can't win, which is relatively weak talk for him too -- and sounding increasingly less believable.

None of this means Dumpster won't flip back any moment, but it does imply we gained the upper hand and even more clearly than before. Every time that happens, it gets easier for us to hold our ground. Carney was probably already confident enough to stand firm for a lot longer and against still more intense brinksmanship anyway. But this will settle the nerves of Canadians who've neither the experience nor the mettle to patiently trust and back our PM as the economic effects become more and more real.

Conversely, every time Dumpster goes back on the offensive, we get more familiar with the cycle and confident that our response will at least buy more time and soften the impact, if not just make him look more the fool when he has to back off again. If Dumpster thought he had the upper hand right now, he'd be gloating rather than deflecting. He caved, again, and with less room to save face than before. At this point I'm more worried this crisis will "go to waste" and we'll lose the drive to follow through with our internal reformation.

There's certainly room for me to be misreading the situation, but I think Carney's in control now. The longer it takes for us to hear the next "51st state" comment, the more sure I'll be. My best guess after that would be Carney's some kind of dark horse and Dumpster actually wants him to win the election. But that's master-level 4D chess, and I've yet to see a single prediction on that basis fulfilled. He played his part so well that if there is a master plan, Dumpster isn't in on it.

No, I think Carney confidently and firmly said something the average Canadian couldn't even hear without breaking a sweat, and even Dumpster could tell a) he wasn't going to get an inch, and b) circumstances have made still clearer that we have the longer runway. Now he needs to delay (again), and I think he'll shake it up by making those 25% tariffs start much lower with automatic ramping over time. That way he can make it look a little less like he caved because they technically still started them on April 2nd.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

It kind of sounds like what we really need (or what would make a much bigger difference) is more regulatory power centralized into federal jurisdiction, with various provincial regulatory bodies consolidating into federal ones. That would be an even more painful transition with lots of redundancies (as in job loss and sunsetting support systems), but actually fix the problems that have been returning to light the past month or so.

The new problems would be a loss of diversity (particularly in terms of governance strategies) and flexibility (to try things on smaller scale and in simpler/more homogenous environments) -- for starters. I can't begin to imagine what else might arise due to power being consolidated and centralized like that. But it would certainly diminish our capacity for local self-governance, and my anarchist principles respond to that with many tiny alarm bells.

I think it comes down to choosing between efficiency/agility and resilience/redundancy. We've always been a diversity-loving nation that respected the latter's value. I really hope the approach we're currently taking proves "good enough." Our best bet probably comes from greater collaboration and cooperation not just between our provincial governments, but also directly and independently between our various regulatory bodies/professional associations.

 

If you don't want accusations "going there" (despite constantly doing it to the other parties yourselves with groundless, disingenuous FUD), don't lead the way with your own actions. You, Danielle Smith, have thoroughly disgraced yourself, as does Lisa Raitt and any other double-speaking conservative apologist trying to gaslight away a bald-faced plea for foreign interference.

You asked a foreign -- and currently hostile -- government to act in a manner benefitting your preferred party's electoral outcome. By extension, you implicitly acknowledged that doing otherwise is demonstrating to voters why your guy shouldn't win, and that you want breathing room so voter attention can be redirected. You even sold it in a manner that implied stronger influence over Canada at best, and outright quid pro quo at worst -- literal collusion from our highest office with a hostile foreign entity against Canada.

Neither option so much as entertains the possibility Poilievre could actually be fit to defend Canada's national interests. That's why you like him, isn't it? What is Canada to you but an obstacle to your Oil & Gas masters? Every word of that interview carried layers damning all that Poilievre's CPC and your UCP represent, from values to character to political objectives to even basic loyalty to your own nation and for that matter the ecological future of the planet itself.

I didn't think there could be a Canadian politician worse than Poilievre, yet here you are and this incident is all about you, Smith.

You put yourself on tape directly confessing and doing far worse than everything you and the entire Conservative movement have managed to conjure as insinuations against everyone else combined. You literally betrayed our entire nation for a chance at personal gain. If there's any coming back from that at all, then my faith in the basic cognitive capacity of our average Canadian voter is seriously shaken.

If no laws were broken, there will be new ones named after you.

Resign.
Emigrate.
Shred your passport.
You have no business standing on Canadian soil.

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