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[–] cowleggies@xcore.social 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”

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[–] DEADBEEF 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Oh my God, they're bringing back clippy.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That means a whole new market of NFT Clippy Skins can be established.

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That fixes the main problem with Clippy, which was not using a blockchain.

[–] Powderhorn 11 points 1 year ago

"It looks like you're trying to defraud people. Would you like help with that?"

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[–] worfamerryman 59 points 1 year ago

That’s a big nope for me.

Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.

Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.

[–] Osayidan@social.vmdk.ca 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because "cloud bad" - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don't pay for windows, not paying for it isn't an option if they control it completely.

[–] lupec@lemmy.lpcha.im 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, that'd also be the case for people like me who stick with Windows for gaming compatibility/convenience reasons and critical GPU features the Linux drivers just don't implement (looking at you, DLDSR). That, or just anyone with a GPU, I suppose, assuming the hardware market would look remotely like it does nowadays by then.

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[–] iax 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Are we doing the nobody reads the article thing here too? This isn't a replacement for Windows as an operating system, it's a cloud based version of the OS being sold to consumers. They're trying to compete with inexpensive Chromebooks, not take away your PC.

[–] abir_vandergriff 11 points 1 year ago

As an occasional sys admin, they've had stuff like this for enterprise forever, it's just self hosted. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up, they've been moving lots of their enterprise tech to consumer subscriptions.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 10 points 1 year ago

Why would I read the article? I don't want to know the details. I want to be outraged.

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[–] storksforlegs 43 points 1 year ago

No thank you.

Also I bet instead of a one-time license you can have the privilege of paying $9.99 a month forever or lose access to all your files. And possibly requiring an internet connection to use your desktop computer?

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and I want to move fully off of windows, what a coincidence.

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The situation has never been better for comfortably abandoning Windows. Come to Linux, we have penguins

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

tbh, windows user since the 90s, tried *nix desktops since the early 00s every few years. Used to have a thing where I would force myself to use it for 6 months and it would fail again and again.

In the last year, ive been using ubuntu (which i know isint the best desktop to use even) as a dev system on some of my work. Unlike in the past I am no longer finding an unreasonable delta between the user expectations in linux vs windows systems. I need to drop to a cli for both with ~ the same propensity once I do anything advanced. Not having a registry is a blessing I never thought I would be able to have in a rich visual system.

Long time .NET / Azure dev - moving to linux. After all, what do you think remote windows will run under-the-covers?

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[–] vracker@reddthat.com 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't read the article.

The idea of online only software irritates me. Of course multiplayer games have to work this way. When blizzard and Ubisoft started requiring an active connection for single player games that was just going too far.

Can you imagine sitting at your computer, doing literally anything. The screen goes strait to blue with the windows shutting down screen saying, "Internet disrupted, please contact your provider for support".

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Or trying to do any work on the go? This whole idea is just idiotic to me.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They will have to continue to offer some kind of offline option it seems, for people with flaky internet connections.

[–] towerful 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never mind flaky internet, what about people that do events?

Things like PowerPoint presentation machines, VJ systems, video servers (for massive multiscreen playback).
You can't go into a field for a festival and expect reliable internet.
You can't go into a theatre and expect reliable internet, especially when 3k+ people turn up.
There are a few systems that run OSX, but Apple's hardware doesn't give you as much control as something like an Nvidia Quadro with sync cards. 99% of the big shows will be ran from Windows OS

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google tried that.

Anyway, I'll stick with Linux.

[–] Duxon@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With Chromebooks? ChromeOS is a pretty solid Linux distro if you'd ask me. It is built around cloud-sync and Google Drive, but otherwise perfectly fine to use offline. Even Steam is supported nowadays

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[–] death916@lemmy.death916.xyz 31 points 1 year ago

Ya I'd be fully Linux after that. Still too many benefits of having your own hardware.

[–] tackshooter@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just another move toward " you will own nothing and you will be happy". Gotta resist the botnet people, Free software anarchy ftw!

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[–] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Assuming this will use OpenAI API like other Microsoft's AI products, this is going to be expensive to operate. Subsidizing it indefinitely is surely not an option. How would Microsoft monetize it? By charging subscription like GitHub Copilot, or monetizing it somehow using users data they collected? I assume it would be the latter.

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[–] iuseit@iusearchlinux.fyi 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Haha that will be the year of the Linux desktop, in many ways

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[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but what happens if you don't have a good net connection like at the coffee shop or airports? I swear sometimes people are clueless and just assume you always have good internet when that's not often the case!

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[–] sculd 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Might finally convince me to move fully to Linux.....

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[–] Dusty@l.dustybeer.com 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is this supposed to work in countries that have bandwidth caps, or slow internet connections?

It seems like every company these days wants to move everything to the cloud, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. While something like this makes sense in some instances (like kiosks or similar maybe?) for the vast majority of use cases this is a non-starter.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I had a laptop, it's wasn't always connected to the internet and it certainly did not have a mobile internet connection - nor would I pay for another one when I have a perfectly good one in the form of my phone.

Most of the time, believe it or not I didn't need an internet connection - half the time I was sitting at a park or a restaurant and playing singleplayer games or writing code.

I never connected to the restaurants free wifi, as I have trust issues with it. And I used a cable to hotspot when necessary. (Either that or i use the browser in my phone, mainly for stack overflow purposes)

If this happens, and windows goes Cloud ONLY - it would necessitate an always on and active internet connection.

God forbid if you decide to move out of signal range with it - let's say, watch a movie on the laptop while camping in the outback. On top of that, what if your internet goes down - ISPs can and have been a-holes in the past, and this isn't going to stop them in the future.

I have to wonder why anyone on earth would go for this? It's inherently limiting, despite all the AI gimmicks they are touting.

I for one and not switching back to windows any time soon - I mean I wasn't anyway, but I'm definitely not now.

On the other hand, this makes sense, why else would they release a sub par ARM chip in a surface pro 9 for the only 5G model? I always thought that decision made no sense. Now it makes perfect sense.

[–] worfamerryman 7 points 1 year ago

I live in a third world country. There is no way that this takes off here. Windows will just have to abandoned this country. But maybe they will as there is not a lot of money here. People will often buy laptops second hand at the market and the sellers load it with pirate content or can do it if they are asked. The only people really paying for Microsoft products here are the big corporations and foreigners, like myself, who are working here.

Additionally, most people just use their phones as a hotspot for data while at home. That is good enough for streaming and basic stuff. No one is going to get a fiber connection and pay a microsoft subscription. I honestly do not see this working here and I expect Microsoft will have to pull out or continue to offer offline options.

[–] flakusha 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Typical loop in this case:

  • Oh, M$ is so disgusting, I never gonna switch to the new platform!

In a few months/years

  • Well, my apps/hardware are not working, time to switch anyway. Not because it's not working anymore, but because the platform is mature and I actually like it.
[–] MachineTeaching@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

We've seen this spiel a few times, companies want to move to the cloud and then don't because it's ridiculous and plenty of things are just fine on local machines.

I don't lend this any more credence than all the "we'll all be gaming in the cloud in 10 years" crap when stuff like GeForce Now was popping up.

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[–] techie@techy.news 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microsoft has a track record of having excellent uptime! /s

I find it somewhat funny that this article came out on the day Microsoft 365 had an outage for most of the day.

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[–] NotBadAndYou@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well of course they do. They want to turn an every-few-years OS purchase into a monthly subscription fee, like they did with O365. And eventually they'll drop the ability to install apps except through their store (under the guise of providing "safety" from malicious apps), so that they can collect a commission on the third party software sales market as well.

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[–] Illustrious_Luck5514 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a terrible fucking idea

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[–] Stiltonfondu@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Good luck to them. I’ve been very much enjoying Fedora since Windows 11 came out.

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[–] BioDriver 14 points 1 year ago

As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.

[–] Dee_Imaginarium 12 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I don't really want to switch to Linux, Microsoft, please stop pushing me to. I will, but I'd rather not. Ffs.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they want to get as many people as possible to pay a monthly fee to use their cloud system. I'm sure they won't be going cloud only anytime soon, but they will keep making each new windows version worse than the previous one.

They won't get a single cent from me. I've been running Linux for the last 15 years. Wine, DXVK, and Proton keep getting better and I can run all of my games in Linux now.

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[–] Satiric_Weasel 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Was already considering running Linux on my next machine. That just made it a definite. Is Mintos still the best choice for an everyday desktop?

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[–] bbtai 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm kind of confused...if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?

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[–] argv_minus_one 10 points 1 year ago

I want to move Windows fully to the Recycle Bin.

[–] staticlifetime@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just another case of "you will own nothing...". Come on over to Linux, where the ISOs are plentiful.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Moving “Windows 11 increasingly to the cloud” is identified as a long-term opportunity in Microsoft’s “Modern Life” consumer space, including using “the power of the cloud and client to enable improved AI-powered services and full roaming of people’s digital experience.”


Intel and Microsoft have even hinted at Windows 12 in recent months, and Windows chief Panos Panay claimed at CES earlier this year that “AI is going to reinvent how you do everything on Windows.” All of this is part of Microsoft’s broad Windows ambition, detailed in its internal presentation, “to enable improved AI-powered services” in Windows.

Words cannot express how much I do not want to participate in this version of the future.

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[–] alansuspect@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This seems odd to me, I've dabbled with Linux before but I'm generally a macos guy where the os is the free bit. Charging for an os is outdated surely?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only difference historically is that with Mac you always pay for the OS when you pay for the computer, whereas this is usually but not always the case with Windows for home users. But all software companies are realizing that subscription models effectively hold people's files to ransom and force them to pay way more than they would for a permanent licence, and Microsoft is getting in on that.

With desktop Linux improving all the time, anyone who doesn't need Windows-specific software is better off with that.

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

More reasons to switch to Linux and stay there.

Once you're logged into Windows 365 you're technically using their hardware and just streaming the use to your machine. You will have almost no control over your own device because it isn't actually your own device. Your own device has been turned into a television, a device that just plays what another device is displaying.

This is about property and ownership and how Microsoft wants to take those things away from you. They want full control of how you use their operating system, and when they force users to use their software and hardware, they will acheive it.

[–] DiagnosedADHD@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I switched to Linux a long time ago, it's only getting better and better. After valve started making serious investments in the ecosystem it has only gotten better for desktop usage and it simply 'works' in ways that even windows struggles with, ie: ps4 controllers/switch controllers work ootb, gamescope allows significantly more control over how games are rendered and offers a true console-like experience combined with big picture UI.

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[–] nudl@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised they're bothering to focus on consumer devices instead of just going all-out on enterprise and business.

Cloud workstations make a lot of sense for when you need the extra grunt occasionally and have a rock-solid internet connection, but about the only reason the average consumer would want to use them on a portable device is gaming. Everything else you can do locally or as a web app.

And even gaming has been a bit rocky, though it has its small cult of followers.

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