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[–] buxtonwater@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox supremacy! Keep the non-chromiuim branch alive forevermore, no centralization please.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

non-chromium branch

There's a chromium branch‽

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[–] CIWS-30@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I use Firefox. I honestly don't think that a browser engine monopoly is good for the world. Single point of failure for everyone with no alternatives is very bad if something nasty happens.

I think the creators of WINE said something similar about one of their reasons for creating WINE. Wish more browsers would use Gecko.

[–] _I_@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I actually use Edge as a daily, but I also use Firefox because I want to support them. Unfortunately, Edge and Chrome are superior to Firefox in performance. Edge especially is really really great at resource management, and it doesn't matter if I have 1 or 700 tabs and windows open. It'll manage it without any issues. Firefox however, won't. Sure, it's rich in features and it's very very flexible, but it's not as stable or fast as the former.

Still love Firefox, though!

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[–] Smk@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I still remember version 2 of Firefox. It was an awesome feeling to install. Even today, just using Firefox still feels like I'm doing to right thing.

[–] smartwater0897@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I think there is nothing like it. It's not perfect but it's damn good still.

[–] iuseit@iusearchlinux.fyi 24 points 1 year ago

I love Firefox

[–] supermurs@suppo.fi 18 points 1 year ago

Firefox 🥰

[–] tarneo@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Librewolf, icecat, qutebrowser, iceraven, surf... are not chromium-based.

[–] ionaru@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unpopular opinion, brace yourselves.

As a web developer, I would love to root for Firefox but they've made some really odd decisions regarding the implementation of web standards (which are published on the Mozilla MDN site, oddly enough), async/defer script loading order for example. Firefox is also often multiple years late with implementing new tech, being surpassed by Chromium and even Safari most of the time.

While I love the non-profit style of Mozilla and think competition in the browser space is a good thing. The reality is just that their browser lags behind the other two. Firefox is a large part of the reason polyfills are still used in this world of evergreen browsers, and requires multi-browser testing/tweaking even though I exclusively follow the standards written on the MDN website...

[–] CrateDane@feddit.dk 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Firefox is behind in some areas, but ahead in others - eg. privacy/tracking.

[–] tartarsauce@lemmy.fmhy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

exactly, and that's what matters more than anything else. modern websites are insanely bloated anyway; i care more about blocking the 50MB of ads, trackers, third-party cookies and other garbage every site shoves down your throat, than shiny new stuff that arguably is often part of that overengineered bloat.

look at this. it's fucking beautiful. as far as i'm concerned, websites like these put the modern web and web developers to shame.

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[–] locness3@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So not the things that benefit website owners

[–] tartarsauce@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Instead, the things that benefit users

[–] tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see it the other way around. I have a feeling that FireFox follows the specs while Chromium kind of has its own plan and directly introduce new behavior without much care for standards.

Since Chromium based browsers have the majority of the market share, you have the feeling that FireFox is awkward/lag behind. Now look back at Opera when they still have their own engine and you will see that while they try to introduce new behaviors just like Chromium, their limited market share means that people don't feel the need to make use of these "innovations".

[–] TowardsTheFuture@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago

I miss old opera.

[–] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love when the meme is used correctly.

[–] siriusmart@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago

i literally saw it on discord a few seconds ago lol

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ladybird should add another option at least, I'm curious to see it in action.

[–] Antik@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't know why, but even on my machine which gets 40-60 FPS in FFXIV while simultaneously encoding a movie, Firefox was always slower than chromium browsers.

I truly don't understand it.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's web builders deliberately building their sites and webapps for chromium based browsers only, because it has over 80% market share. They only test on firefox rudimentally. The experience is subpar and people use chromium instead because of it, cementing chromium as the most used browser. Some site builders do this because they don't have the time to extensively test a browser with low market share, others, like Google, do it deliberately.

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[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Depends on what sites you are using, google sites are slower for me, others are faster.

Also looks like chrome is better at looking faster somehow, probably starts to render page sooner.

And of course: wgich extensions do you have in firefox and how old is your profile. Try it out with new, clean profile and than you will feel it.

[–] Antik@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And of course: wgich extensions do you have in firefox and how old is your profile. Try it out with new, clean profile and than you will feel it.

I mean this is fair, but eventually the profile ages and I may choose to add more extensions, no? Why would a selling point be "we're fast on a brand new install, but after a couple years and adding some extensions, we're gonna slow down like fuck"?

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[–] Jentu@lemmy.film 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t see LibreWolf here anywhere. I’ve been going back and forth between that and Arc lately

[–] xtapa@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Arc has been an experiment when I got a Mac for work and it really is super helpful managing information and contexts. It really helps. For my private stuff, I changed back to firefox recently. That thing was super slow but now works like a charm again.

[–] solberg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Arc and Orion are the best browsers I’ve used. GNOME Web looks nice, too.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.film 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Arc is real fun. I’ve been using it quite a bit lately

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[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Peter Parker saw more clearly when his glasses were off.

[–] timothy1200@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really wish firefox had HDR support. That’s the only reason I haven’t fully switched

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[–] iamhazel 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Samsung browser is chromium based?

[–] ttmx@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago
[–] Engywuck@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Oh, look, THAT meme. Again. For the100th time.

Folks, I don't care what under the hood. Brave serves me much better than Firefox did. And, frankly speaking, "not being chromium" isn't enough anymore. Mozilla has ruined Firefox for me when they started removing features (e.g., FTP support) and dumbing its UI/UX. So, goodbye FF, it's been a long ride, but I'm on Brave right now.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But, Brave doesn't do FTP either? And it's full of crypto nonsense.

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[–] branchial@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Brave is managed by Brendan Eich who had to leave Mozilla because he is a homophobe.

That and they have been doing some selfserving things with BAT to the point where I wouldn't trust them even if BAT became something worthwhile or maybe even especially then.

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[–] _comfortablyAverage_@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

deep fried meme

[–] citytree@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another alternative: GNOME Web (a.k.a. Epiphany), which is based on the WebKit browser engine.

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[–] marcus@posta.no 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really like Vivaldi. Their management even seems kinda ethical.

[–] nonearther@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I don't know if it's just ethical or their unwillingness to improve but they have left a lot of issues open for several years.

Issues like -

  • Auto dark mode for web pages - they removed it when Chrome for Android dropped it, but never picked it back up. All other browsers have it now
  • Geolocation on Mac. Their argument is weird for this and the issue is still there for over 5 years
  • A lot of changes nobody asked, something like address bar auto complete, which they forcefully changed to top sites without even giving options
  • Slowdown because of bloat - while a lot cliam that it isn't the case, Vivaldi has brought my M1 Mac to its knees, even with brand new instace. Again only one to do so
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[–] Bumblebb@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ttmx@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing happened, it's just always been chromium

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So using chromium based browsers, even if privacy focused, still benefit Google?

[–] ttmx@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, but not super directly. You increase the market share of chromium based browsers, meaning websites will focus on supporting those browsers, which will make people switch to them to get websites working better. This is all very large scale, it's complicated.

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