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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 133 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nobody wants to work anymore!

(when the fuck did people actually want to work?)

[–] worfamerryman 51 points 1 year ago

Some time ago people merged contributing to society and being productive with work.

Work is doing something for money, but there are things I would do for free if I didn’t need to earn money to survive.

Teaching, community gardens, organizing social events. These are all things I’d love to do but I have to work like 50 hours a week to survive and safe for the future.

[–] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Crotaro 12 points 1 year ago

I especially enjoy the 1979 citation there

"Nobody wants to work anymore." - disgusted businessman

[–] Vithar@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Said by - Socrates

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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 117 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The older generation has basically always resented the younger generation for:

  1. Their lives being easier,
  2. Their music and clothing being awful,
  3. Doing sex wrong.

It's like a constant of recorded history. The Romans said these things in ~300BC.

[–] EliasChao@lemmy.one 30 points 1 year ago

Also about the younger generation being too soft, which I believe ties with your first pint.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As a millennial I don't resent zoomers, I actually feel ashamed for not having done better by them

As for music and clothes... I mean... we had Gabbers...

[–] ndguardian@lemmy.studio 8 points 1 year ago

As a fellow (albeit very late) millennial, what is a gabber?

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

O tempora o mores

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[–] MinusPi@pawb.social 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trans people have existed for as long as people have existed.

[–] _thisdot@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Intersex yes. I thought trans was a relatively new (20th century, maybe 1930s) thing. What is the earliest recorded transition?

[–] christophski@feddit.uk 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Chevalier d'Γ‰on spent the last years of her life recognised by the king as a woman from 1777.

The term transgender is 20th century, but transgender people have always existed

[–] cryptic5916@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

In South Asia (where I come from), Hijras have been around for a thousand years now apparently.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

[–] MinusPi@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I specifically mean trans people, not intersex people, though they have existed too. There are plenty of ancient cultures with evidence of what we would call trans people today, with some even being revered. Sorry to not give sources, but I'm just not invested enough to go research specifics at the moment.

[–] _thisdot@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm genuinely curious. Would you consider someone like Mulan trans? I'm from India and we have mythological stories of intersex and gods magically transforming to the opposite gender. None technically trans

[–] MinusPi@pawb.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, Mulan's "male" side was only ever a disguise, not her actually being a man. She was manly/masculine perhaps, as she did end up being described well by the song "Be a Man", but ultimately her gender was never truly in question by herself or the audience.

As for history, this Wikipedia page is an excellent summary.

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[–] Didros 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I know there was a Trans man that rode for the Pony Express. We just didn't call it that and if they were ever found out there us a good chance they would die.

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[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

the earliest i'm aware of off the top of my head goes back to around 300BCE, but i haven't exactly done any research to find the earliest example, and i'd expect there are earlier ones. just suffice to say we've been around a long time.

[–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Also two-spirit people in Indigenous cultures

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[–] WackyTabbacy42069@reddthat.com 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Cancel culture. It's been around for a very long time, though it used to be expressed in shunning, banishment, or communal acts of corporeal harm (e.g. tarring and feathering, lynching, etc.)

Edit: just realized the question was for something true, not just something that's been around for longer than people think lol

[–] HappyMeatbag 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I must be old. I remember when β€œcancel culture” was called β€œvoting with your wallet”, and rich corporations used it to justify their own success.

I feel like that's more of a corpo relations phrase, cancel culture is more personal. Like that voting with your wallet was supposed to influence the behavior of corps, not individuals.

I think a good older example of cancel culture were the American red scares, especially the McCarthy trials. Although an extreme example of it, they were 'cancelling' people who's views they considered dangerous. People disliked by others would often be called a Communist and socially / economically harmed tremendously, regardless if they were actually a Communist. If you got to a McCarthy trial, you were doomed; that guy was cancelling with the power of the state, afaik knowledgeable to the fact many of the accusations were false

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

It's kind of funny when someone is commenting on two threads at the same time, and the subject is coincidentally tied.

I was discussing about Socrates' trial. "Socrates was cancelled" describes it perfectly. Cancel culture in Athens 399 BCE.

[–] Cube6392 46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

America's political system being fundamentally broken. People point to George Washington's farewell address like he was some 5d chess genius seeing into the future when really he was a dying old man who had just spent eight painful years watching the country shift into bipartisan gridlock

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 year ago

The Founding Fathers didn't really know what they were doing in creating the Constitution. They just kind of guessed based on what they saw as best practices at the time and compromised where they needed to.

And the Constitution was the scary document that gave more power to a federal government

[–] TheBurlapBandit 7 points 1 year ago

Plus decorum in Congress. Elected officials were literally beating each other with canes.

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[–] taylus@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That everything is going to shit.

spoilerEverything has always been shit.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah but now is going to shit FASTER.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Slightly different tack ... by the time most people recognise a problem, and feel like it's happening "now", the reality is that it started long ago, has been ramping up gradually for a while, but most people didn't want to bother thinking about or doing anything about.

Climate change being kinda obvious. The thing with Google and Chrome lately has been like 10 years in the making at least.

Generally, IME, when something goes wrong even in someone's personal life ... there was something wrong the whole time being ignored. Just recently I spoke to someone about a recently divorced couple who were buying houses and planning long term things months before the divorce. I pointed out that it had to be that way as they were desperately hanging on to the idea that the marriage can work when in reality it had died years before.

[–] Cube6392 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had someone talking to me refer to 2020 as when the Black Lives Matter movement started and I just got so mad. I was just feeling like... Movements don't start when you find out about them and join up. And also where you been? How much had this person been living with their head in the sand? It baffled me

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[–] sloonark@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Kids misbehaving in school. "Kids are so rude these days." "Young people don't show respect anymore."

I'm pretty sure that every generation had its bad eggs in the classroom and nothing has changed.

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[–] essellburns 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

"Fake News"

There's been good and bad journalism for as long as there's been journalists

[–] HappyMeatbag 7 points 1 year ago

Yup. Only the different names for it are relatively new. The term β€œFake News” didn’t become popular until The Mango Mussolini was President.

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[–] danie10@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I immediately think of butter, fat, dairy, and eggs. We were all told around the 1980's to avoid them as they will make you obese, raise blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Until pretty recently the American FA was still saying are all bad, then it went to "in moderation" etc. In fact it was all enjoyed and quite healthy up to the late 1970's and now again it is basically back in most people's diets.

Actually, we're discovering, other foods are often the cause of those symptoms, but don't let me knock the advertising industry for fast and processed foods ;-)

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gotta love how sugar is never on the list of things to avoid.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sugar industry pays big money to blame everything else while they dump sugar in EVERYTHING

even bread is sweet

A lot of people I know think that sugar is required to make bread (to activate yeast). Sugar is not at all required.

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[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

This is as hilarious as people who say the same thing about Rage Against The Machine.

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nowadays, everybody is trying to talk, like they have something to say. But nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish, like they forgot about Dre.

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[–] Nemo@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago

Politics is too divisive, politicians are untrustworthy, political campaigns are too negative

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Police reform has like a century of the same rhetoric without actually fixing the problem. You can read about it in old archives, and sounds hauntingly familiar to what you'd read from a modern reformist who opposes abolition

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