It's really weird. There's so few people here, but the conversations are really good. Everyone is friendly and the place is growing. That's a really great vibe.
this post was submitted on 01 Jun 2023
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That is how it was at reddit during/before/relatively after the digg exodus.
Yup. I mentioned this on Reddit as well. OG Reddit vibes.
Sadly i checked in on the Apollo sub and there's a lot of hate on there for Lemmy. Not sure if people fully understand it or they are just fighting the inevitable change that is coming lol. But it def. reminds me of the digg meltdown and how people were hellbent that reddit sucked and wouldn't last and was too difficult to use... lol change is hard sometimes but it's life.
Yes I've noticed this as well. I think there's some denial mixed in there. Right now the 3rd-party apps still work. They can still use old.reddit. Adult content hasn't been banned on site and official app yet. The IPO and likely cash-out/sell-out that will follow is still some months away. A lot of the people are in the "this is fine" stage at the moment, similar to the situation over at Twitter. Most of them will see the light eventually. That said, there does seem to be a growing interest in Lemmy already.
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I actually enjoy getting in on a platform at the early stages like this, because of the interesting conversations.
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I just switched too, this is actually my first comment. Idk why everyone on reddit said lemme was too confusing
Every single time you offer an alternative to people, if it's not a perfect clone they complain that it's too confusing. What they're really saying is they didn't want to have to learn a single new thing at all.
I dont mind those people not joining.
I do. Many times, it can be from a failure in UX or bad choice of on-boarding steps by the referrer, and not from their incapability of learning and building. Those people aren't less valuable just because they didn't overcome a circumstantial hurdle.
Personally, I'm taking steps to lower that hurdle. I refuse to link anyone to the Join Lemmy page. That's a bad on-boarding practice, and we had Mastodon to prove it, because it drove away even plenty of valuable techies. I'm linking everyone directly to Lemmy.ml and Beehaw, which can be explored without committing, and telling them to consider explore the fediverse "later" if they like the way these vanilla instances work. Let's first show that the content and feature set is perfectly capable and there's nothing to dislike.
Its really better to link to joinlemmy so that people get distributed across different instances. We dont want everyone to be on the same instance, that would cause many problems.
Yes, but that's the thing, that's a culture, philosophy and safeguard concern. We want the ecosystem to be distributed because of many reasons we can go copy paste off of a fediverse explanation page or video.
But in these times, when people are looking for social media replacements, they do not share those concerns. Not initially at least. I see it like a hierarchy of needs but for social media consumption. We risk tiring people out at the understanding and culture step when all they're looking for in that moment is for ease of access to content and discussion. We can have our cake and eat it too by showing them that, yes, this platform can fit their needs, and also hint that it has these interoperability, customization, privacy and so on advantages that they can easily find about.
Look, I'm just saying, Mastodon has a bad rep. I met plenty of supposedly smart people who treat the whole Twitter migration thing as "those dumb evangelists with their stupid platform that doesn't even have a functional tag search ahah". People who had no trouble going back to other, older platforms. I'm not letting that happen again, at least not from my hand. I'm going to sell from the bottom of their pyramid.
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Aside from the whole Fediverse concept (which as a current Matrix and Mastodon user I didn't have to relearn), the most confusing concept for new users I'd say would be that there can exist the same community on multiple servers (like, say, politics). But when you realize what this service is really doing, there's not really another way to do it and maintain moderation control on each server. It's actually a strength IMHO. I'm really impressed with what I'm seeing. More people coming onboard is going to make this place really fun. And if it ever becomes not fun, there'll probably be another server that would be more your idea of fun.
Yeah, ive just been subbing to all of the ones for topics I like with the idea to whittle them down later once I see which ones are the best match. If anyone has a recommendation list that would be a great post
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Flashbacks to the first hour using reddit as an former digg user...
It's fine. If people want to switch they will do so.
What separates the smart from the stupid is not the ability to adapt to something new, it's the ability to overcome obstacles they may encounter when trying the new thing.
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I mean, trying to subscribe to a community that wasn't on my instance took my much longer than I would have liked. Most people are used to have their onboarding very streamlined so I get that it's a bit jarring
From what I understand, beehaw has been struggling a little with their user count more or less tripling overnight. I think we're going to have to expect some growing pains like when Mastodon was overrun a few months back.
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I like it here. Its small but growing. I just wish the UI was bit better. Selecting text is weird :S
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It's my opinion that nsfw content is what will make or break Lemmy, Beehaw, Kbin, or any other fediverse community.
Every single social media giant has some degree of nsfw content, it's a big draw that gets non-techies to join.
Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok, Facebook; all of them have/had some amount of pornographic material. Of course it's incredibly difficult to moderate porn though, and in no way am I saying that it should be unmoderated, but I also think that 100% excluding it would be a huge factor in determining long-term success. There's even a song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6eFNRKEROw
To paraphrase an oldie: if NSFW was not allowed, there'd be just one [lemmy] community called c/bringbacktheporn
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Is NSFW banned all together or just on this instance? Couldn't someone spin up a lemmy instance just for NSFW?
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Wanders in, looks around, flops down into a comfy looking chair
Nice place you've got here. Very nice decor, not an advert or crappily disguised advert in sight.
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I thought the same thing when Voat started as a mirror to Reddit. It was similar for a while but every time a troll or Nazi was ejected from Reddit they migrated to Voat. Eventually I was one of the last liberals there. Is there anyone maintaining order here or will it be the wild west ?
I think the lemmy structure really annoys trolls and right-wingers. They could register on a server, but they would have to play by the rules (be nice, don't be a nazi etc), which they really don't want. So they want their own server, but quickly realize that they'll be alone there with their miserable peers, which they also don't like.
Dangit yer violatin' mah freeze peeches by not making people listen to me!!!!
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You can check the modlog, but we admins are pretty active, and developed our list of rules over a long period of trial and error, and staunchly enforce them, with temp or permabans. You can check them on the site main page, but we do not allow hate-speech trolls, or people who make everyone's experience unpleasant. We're much stricter than reddit in that regard, who have an extremely "libertarian" / lax policy about hate speech, letting communities like stormfront operate there for years.
Overall we want this to be a welcoming, pleasant, and healthy environment.
Use the report button if you see anyone breaking the rules, and we'll get to it as quickly as we can.
lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and feddit.de have in the last years proven to have pretty good moderation. Far-right people have been banned if they tried to set up shop here. There was a right-wing/nazi server called wolfballs.com for a year or so, they of course were blocked by all 3 servers and they never really took off. In the end their admin decided it wasn't worth it.
I'm with you - I was on Voat back when it was still Whoaverse. I bailed pretty early once I saw the direction it was heading in.
That said - the nice thing about the Fediverse is that there are multiple communities, with different moderation styles. Lemmy has a sizable communist community, for example, but you don't have to associate with them. In fact, some of the larger Lemmy instances (like Beehaw) don't even federate with them; you have to go out of your way to subscribe to them if your home instance is Beehaw.
So if what you're saying comes to pass, and the Alt-Right comes to Lemmy (I don't think they will, but let's imagine) - you can easily pack up shop and migrate to another Lemmy instance that has a better moderation style, or one that won't federate with those instances. It's just like Mastodon in that respect.
We've had histories of right-wing trolls trying to set up shop here. They last about 5 minutes.
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Thrilled to be here at the start of something new! I remember saying the same thing about Voat years before, but I don't think this site will go that way being federated and all. I'm on Mastodon too and call me crazy but I think federated internet is the next age. Just made a woodworking page. Can't wait to find some like minded folks to share hobbies with! ohhhh you know what? I like gardening too....
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It's still a bit confusing to me, but I'm already starting to like it here. Especially with the Jerboa app.
reddit also was confusing 13 years ago :)
I opened an account on lemmy, yesterday, and it looks nice, very promising. If we were 10 of thousands it would be even more great. I also installed Jerboa on my cellphone and it's good beginning, it does the job
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I really hope lemmy is the one, the biggest plus is that it isnt one company, so no investors to fuck it up
Thanks, glad you're enjoying it so far!
At the end of the day, everyone on lemmy is or was at some point a reddit user. The platform changed but the community is still the same. So enjoy!
Agreed. It seems promising and has that magic feeling of when I first encountered reddit for the first time post-Digg. That said, the federated aspects is neat but confusing... Still trying to work out how to view communities on different instances.
EDIT: Ok so apparently this post is actually on a different instance. Not entirely sure how I managed to get here. Now I need to figure out how to subscribe to remote communities?
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Same, I exclusively used Reddit as an app. I now downloaded, and am using the Jerboa client and it works great so far. Had to figure out how to add an account but once working and in list mode its like I never left Reddit lol.
Much love to the devs and folks hosting servers.
I tried it out a while back but didn't stay long, just rejoined a few days ago myself, it's always on my radar because it's on the fediverse though. I'm not very attached to Reddit, but I like the amount of content on it.
I really like Lemmy overall, but I like having niche content, hope there's enough growth with the migration that we get more.
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not enough hentai catboys or catgirls yet either, how am I supposed to disappoint my parents properly under these conditions
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I'm liking the look of it so far.
One thing I miss is that I have reddit configured to hide any posts that I've voted on, in order to keep my feed fresh (using the Save button if I want to check a post again later). I'd love to see similar functionality here as well.
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My thoughts:
404: FetchError: request to http://lemmy:8536/api/v3/site
I think the server may be struggling a bit under everyone checking it out.
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I’m on kbin and really liking it. I feel right at home and I actually love that I can see Mastodon content in a threaded, Reddit-like format. It’s great to be able to see Lemmy content too - it feels like there’s enough activity here with all that that I want to stick around and participate in the community.
Here since yesterday, but I like everything I've seen. The communities are welcoming, and users' profiles lack the useless vanity metrics but allow enough customization to feel personal. Jerboa works well on Android, and everything looks well thought out generally. I hope Lemmy is going up to a great future!
Just joined as well. Looks pretty good here to me!
Is there a way to make use of all the white space? I don't understand why the content is restricted to such a small portion of the page.
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Very much agreed. UI friendly, both on desktop and on mobile--even mobile browser. Instances are kinda confusing but I think im starting to understand it
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