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If the game doesn't run on Linux, there's a good chance it's using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.
And/or that it's coded badly. So I double don't want it.
Frankly, I probably wouldn't move either if Windows didn't permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers
I think this might be colouring your expectations a bit, and you might be projecting your experiences on to others.
I've said for years that it was gaming that was holding me back from running Linux full time. I don't do a huge amount of gaming, but it is important to me, so for many years it was a deal breaker.
Now, gaming is good enough, even though it's not perfect, and I moved to linux full time around 9 months ago.
People aren't "lying". They just have different priorities to you...
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn't mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren't using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
At the time I wasn't thinking of switching my pc over to Linux, so it wouldn't have been hypocrisy on my part
I had Linux installed on a laptop before and it ran well even in the past before all the compatibility improvements
After that the reinstall was fast and moving files over was easy
The only thing that would've made me mad about this post is that I wouldn't shut the fuck up because I was raving too much, but now I've got interest and a whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it's everywhere because people wanna fit in
Besides, it's Lemmy and it's online, it's a person's choice to read my rant and click on the post, thankfully it isn't a square where I'm screaming like a mad man, haha
This reminds me when I was a teenager, it's sort of a tradition to call anyone who got into $THING after you did a poser, while the older kids make fun of you for the same reason. This establishes the hacking order. Since I reckon I'm the elder in this situation, I'll do this to you now: Stop being a poser, you don't want to scare away any cool grown-ups do you?
????? Judge me all you want
whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Yeah you're keeping it real, fucking posers amiright? You're sooo mad at all these phonies just trying to fit in.
I seriously hope you're just a teenager because that means you're going to grow out of this phase, otherwise this is just sad.
Im ngl, I feel like its posts like these that make people dislike Linux users. Expecting every game that you own to run perfectly isn't some insane requirement, its totally reasonable lol. I get that its kinda frustrating people won't ever switch, but lets be real, the only way Linux is actually going to gain new users is by having it come pre-installed on devices. Look at the increased Linux use because it's the default OS on the steamdeck. It just needs to be the default on more devices, and be solid enough that people don't even notice they're not on Windows. The amount of people who will actually go out of there way to switch their OS is so negligible it may as well not even count. So who cares about these people who will never switch, because they probably won't matter much in the end anyway.
--And I say this as someone who has been on Linux full time for a little over a year now.
Lol, most games I own don't run on windows without substantial tweaks and compatibility patches. Even then often games are buggy.
A game with texture issues on windows is badly made, a game with texture issues on linux is a game that doesn't run properly on linux /shrug
it is insane, because it doesn't even fucking apply to any version of windows, it's bog standard for older windows games to just shit themselves in various ways.
Pointless discussion.
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I'm sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it'll be familiar.
"Fuck you Microsoft, I'm moving to Linux" says the individual that would never move if they haven't already
I posted this in a comment somewhere on Lemmy about a month before I moved. It took me a while because I have a chronic illness, a disability, and the whole process takes a lot of sitting at my desk which is quite hard on my body.
Not everyone's circumstances are the same. I get the sentiment you're trying to share but cut people some slack...
Why is it a lie if people don't want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don't know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
It's a little strange that you think "I want feature parity with what's working for me (from my perspective)" is:
The healthy responses would be "Well, I hope either support grows or your needs change, because of some philosophical reasons you might not care about... yet" or, if they're open to it "Oh, it can do this if you put a little work in, let me help you."
The unhealthy response is to accuse people of moving goalposts as if someone's tool of choice is a political debate. It can be, obviously, given FOSS philosophies, but honestly this kind of screed just drives people away.
yeah, if you want to talk to computer normies about it, its good to focus on the practical advantages.
you wont get nag screens and bullshit, its yours. it works well even on potato computers. its actually easier to use in a lot of ways. there are no ads. it actually runs games now, sometimes better than windows. it wont randomly slow down for some background task while you use it. it wont uninstall your shit or reset settings. it wont install shit without you approval. there are no ads. its less targeted by hackers and viruses. it is more powerful if you want to put the effort.
so on, so forth. privacy and freedom are important things, but ones that most people sadly dont think about in secondary aspects of their lives like computers are for most people.
I refuse to let gaming preferences dictate my choice of operating system. I choose my OS first—Linux—because I demand full ownership of my computing environment. If an entity can extract data without your knowledge or control updates, shutdowns, or reboots against your will, they own your machine—not you. With Linux, I own my system entirely. I decide when updates happen, I control what data—if any—leaves my computer, and nothing happens without my explicit consent. My computer works for me, not someone else.
Switching from Windows to Linux was a refreshing experience. I’ve never encountered any problems running Windows games on Linux.
The only thing I miss is ShareX.
This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90's.
Who cares.
Folks that're going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
"it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless"
I mean moving from linux now is a bit like moving from reddit back when they screwed with the api. I don't care really if other people do but its long past due that I move along. Should have done it years ago.
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, "just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything." Neither of those is the case because it doesn't factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it's mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren't growing isn't going to help.
Hey it’s just like EVs or any other new technologies. The enthusiasts or believers will dive in first and deal with all the complicated setups. If it is actually better, these enthusiasts will form a company or already be a company who will create a product that will dominate the industry because they have a better product. Valve is definitely setup to be that company with the funds and competitive reasons to compete with Microsoft (windows/xbox store vs steam store). Steam store is their money maker but they face risks from Microsoft. Luckily Microsoft has to be careful due to antitrust issues because of their size, ie, Apple Store.
Be a cheerleader, encourage these people to take the dive. If you’re hating on people who want their stuff to just work you’ll never grow to get the casual pc / gamer user. Change is hard, most people are not looking to tinker.
I like this comment
In my experience linux runs every game I want and has done it with less issues, crashes and tinkering than it was on windows 11. I constantly see posts from windows users about how some game doesn't work or crashes while it runs fine on both deck and pc. Only games not working are those that are disabled by devs to scapecoat massive amount of hackers onto linux users.
I can't believe I bought a windows license in July, back when I built my new PC - was planning to use Windows for games exclusively and Linux for everything else.
Haven't booted into Windows since at least November, it's a great feeling. Every game I play (including new releases) runs fine on Linux.
What a time to be alive!
(note: the only game I can't play is Valorant, but that's the same on Windows, too, as it requires secure boot)
If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without self respect.
If it don't work on linux cause it was made for windows, fine. Console software doesn't run on any os natively for example and I aint mad. If it is following the trend of "it works on linux but we ticked a box on our anticheat so it doesn't" then I am a bit upset.
I can understand if the game they play is online and it has an anti-cheat that makes it uncompatible with Linux. (Mainly game devs not allowing Linux to work). Otherwise, my experince with gaming on Linux has been pretty good
It's pretty hard switch. I have a high interest in Linux, and I have 100% game compatibility. But I'm always running into issues that are so bad I have to abandon ship. I broken Ubuntu, Nobara, Debian, OpenSuse, and EndeavorOS. Truly Linux isn't ready for newbies.
Linux is ready for newbies, just as Windows is. You just have to relearn stuff and not treat it like Windows.
I'm planning on trying Nobara again soon, since that seems to be where I learned the most, unfortunate bc I really wanted EndeavorOS to work out
Try Garuda, the gaming edition is well configured for Nvidia cards, and from what I've seen AMD, out of the box. There was some small issues I had Nobara that I've not had with Garuda, and at the time I was trying Nobara it was just GE doing all the dev work on it. It has a very active forum where the dev team is quick to answer questions. The two times I ran into an issue that turned out to be a bug, I had devs replying quickly and it was fixed quickly. Highly recommend.
To counter this, my experience was completely different. The transition was very easy.
Just set up some type of snapshots (I used Timeshift with auto snapshots made before every update and made available immediately on grub boot menu).
I ran EndeavourOS for over a year this way, and broke it a whole bunch of times while learning the ins and outs. Timeshift was clutch, and made reverting any mistakes super easy.
Now I'm on Bazzite, which is atomic and immutable, so I don't really worry about breaking anything because I couldn't if I wanted to (I mean I could, but it's not easy).
I'm having ca 20 servers at home and the majority of those are linux. I love it. My main rig is still windows and will probably stay that way unless win12 won't finally cure what pisses me off so damn much with 11. They won't, obviously. But migration would be very hard. Most of my tools won't run, most of my self made tools won't run, most of my games won't run, most 4 decades of internalization of shortcuts won't cut it short anymore. And I won't even start with the domain migration horrors as this one's still MS. I would end up dual booting for eternity until I stop booting up one of the two.
So..my point is. I use the right tool for the right job.
I'll move once it has Steam VR support. I don't care if it's just one VR game at the start. I just want to be able to see my monitors and play one game. And I know other options exist. But I want Steam.
I kept saying once upon a time"I'll make the switch to Linux but X doesn't work, so not yet. "
I dual booted for a while. That "a while" ended when Windows ate GRUB.
I had enough. I decided enough was enough. I kept windows on one SSD, just in case I wanted to go back. That didn't last long, I wiped that drive, and formatted it to BTRFS. Now none of my drives are NTFS.
For the one case I "need" Windows, I spun up a VM (and configured USB passthrough) for Windows. That is for a guitar pedal and amp that I need Windows for updates. But I don't remember the last time I booted up that VM.
For music recording and production I installed Reaper for Linux natively, but that was an easy transition considering Reaper was what i used in Windows. Sure VSTs were a big concern for me, so I investigated VST bridge type software. And I can't recall the ones I investigated. But this is where I am at on my journey.
I don't care how "easy" it is to just stay the same and keep using Windows, it isn't for me. I don't agree with their data collection policies. I don't agree with the "black box" mentality. I want to know what is happening on my system. I want to understand what I am using. And at a certain point with Windows, I just don't have the ability, tools, or inside scoop to fully learn that.
With Linux, the journey may have taken time, effort, and willingness to troubleshoot and learn but it ultimately is a better experience.
There have been very few games I couldn't get working on my system, but those games aren't enough to sell out my ideals. I will never go back.
I would rather be a farmer.
If you want something you'll find a solution, if you don't you'll find an excuse
I've used linux on my laptops and non-gaming devices for a long time, but it took me a long time to switch my gaming desktop over. I've felt i could use linux full time most of the last 8 years (and especially for games since 2020 as i rarely play anything with anti-cheat anyway), but i only went linux on all devices as of 2 years ago when i built a new gaming PC so it required starting from scratch anyway, and aside from a few components i intended to retain for the new one, i could easily drop back to play a game if i ran into problems.
They won't do it, whether they just fear change or think it'll break stuff or they can't bother
Not everyone has the time nor feels the need to just rip and replace on a dime. Not everyone has the luxury of multiple devices to gain confidence. Some people only have a handful of hours a week to play games, so switching OS isnt going to be an immediate priority sven if its their desire.
And I'm not going to lie, I don't hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
The world already has enough things to tear us all down, why flip a table and possibly be unable to game for a time just because doing it right away, according to you, is the only way to be honest or whatever. A vocal desire to dump windows doesnt equate to lying. Let people be excited about linux even if they dont make the switch themselves. Maybe their excitement inspires someone else to take the plunge who wouldn't have done so otherwise.
Also, if you felt the need to write this rant, seems like you do kinda hate them.
At least don't lie that you'll move to Linux at a goal post that you'll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you'll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
even tho i knew i was "done" with the windows since like 2018, I just simply waited until it was convenient to switch. Should i have qualified every conversation where i discussed linux gaming with this? Idk, maybe just let people be excited about something, even if it takes them a long time to get to it.
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
Uh... This has existed a long time. Mounting ntfs on linux is rather easy. Even a windows boot disk. Just point steam at the library folder. In fact, my steam library is installed on ntfs in case i ended up dual booting or using gpu passthrough to a windows vm for a few items. If you're gonna sit here and virtue signal about who is a real linux gamer or not maybe you'd at least know something as basic as mounting ntfs in linux...
Its fear of the unknown. These people know logically the flaws in windows but are afraid to experiment because they think Linux is hard or too much effort. It's similar to (although not in the same severity of) the justification that abuse victims use to justify why they stay with an abuser. Feel bad for these folks and try to educate.
I'm finally moving myself and my parents over to Linux this weekend. I'm putting them on Mint and I think I'll probably be using Debian 12.
For the longest time it was games that prevented me from moving, but with what MS has been doing as of late, and especially with them trying to force copilot/recall onto systems/my Win 11 install refusing to get security updates anymore, I went and checked my entire game library on steam against the proton db and found the following.
95 of my games run natively on Linux. 31 of my games are rated platinum. 73 of my games are rated gold. 12 are rated silver. 3 are rated as bronze. 3 are unplayable.
This shocked me a little when I counted it out as this is a huge improvement compared to a few years ago.
The actual difficulties I will be facing are getting all of my music/sound production stuff functioning well enough to use.
But yes, anyone who claims they won't move to Linux due to gaming in the contemporary is either sorely out of the loop or hard stuck silver in a game like Valorant which they cannot bring themselves to drop and artificially refuses to run on anything where it can't have kernel level anti-cheat.
I switched to linux because Windows10 is going EoL, and my hardware is ineligible for Windows11. It's been fine, once I got it set up. There wasn't any single thing that pushed me over the edge. I just had a free weekend and I knew I had to do it eventually.
I really wanted the install to be smooth so I could tell everyone how great it was. It was not. Somehow it borked itself, and I couldn't boot from the usb stick a 2nd time until after I manually edited a file on it. Then installer hung on the last step, and I couldn't find any answers other than "Use the previous LTS". At least that worked.
modern games are trash and slop
better to install linux and play retro games made by creative game devs
What a horrible take
Maybe look past triple A games next time you make such an assessment
I need Hdr and vrr to work and a replacement for madvr that can make movies look as good as it can.
That's what's holding me, and multiple people I know, from moving to Linux.
The hdr and vrr seems to be about there but as far as I understand there's still not an equivalent to madvr.
Since ProtonDB (and obviously Proton itself, Wine with its own WineApp DB, SteamOS) there is an easy way to check if your favorite games do work. That being said I understand that people are afraid. They might think "OK... well Elden Ring works but what about the DLC, or upcoming Elden Ring Nightreign?" and believe, probably rightfully so to be honest, that because Windows is still the most popular OS for gaming on PC and that game publishers are economically rational actors, more testing and fixes will be done against that target platform.
So... 100% is a ridiculous coverage because it's impractical but IMHO they are not that silly to "want" it. It's just a simpler way to say they are scared and do not want to bother. They would rather follow the crowd than take a risk themselves and be trail blazers.
All that being said now that ProtonDB exists and Valve is actively radically improving support via Proton, that gamers see in the wild SteamDecks popping up literally around them, in flights, airports, waiting rooms, etc they just can not ignore the fact that support is improving enough to have fun. Mentality will change but it takes time and Microsoft is fighting back because despite having Azure as their dollar printing asset, they are just hooked on bundling.