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[–] sp3ctre@feddit.org 73 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Longer answer: easily yes.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

French Answer: Mais Oui 🥖🥸

[–] far_university190@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

German answer: jawohl!

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Huh. Based on the community this was posted in, I can assume that the answer the video comes to is "yes" and not watch it. But according to Betteridge's law of headlines the answer is "no." I need to argue about this without watching it but I don't know what stance to argue about.

Ah! I'll use the Orbit plugin to get an AI to summarize the video for me. Hm. The AI-generated summary says the video describes an anecdote about music copyright violations, talks about some ethical considerations about both music and software piracy, and then:

The speaker concludes by acknowledging the complexity of the issue and the importance of considering the perspectives of all parties involved.

So I guess the answer was "Maybe?" How am I supposed to have a pointless Internet argument about "Maybe?"

Bah. Someone attack me for using AI, at least that's a debate I can sink my teeth into.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lazy prick! Should have just put the video on in the background while doing dishes, or do what I did and briefly skim the comments for someone to fight with! AI is dumb, it's not even named effectively and you're dumb for using it and a sheeple for calling it AI in the first place!
Fight me! ❤️

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Joke's on you, I have a dishwasher machine! Robots do my dishes for me too! It is you who is the dumb one, having to labor manually as you do!

Ah, there we go. Thanks.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And now I'm here to fight with both of you, not about what you're arguing about, but I'm going to police your tone and call you both stupid because you didn't argue in the arbitrary fashion I've determined is "correct!"

This is the least helpful contribution I can make, while simultaneously attacking you both!

[–] truxnell@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is it to early to drop in and call everyone Nazis or nah?

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck! How did I miss the most unhelpful option?

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[–] Scary_le_Poo 3 points 2 weeks ago

Something something literally Hitler?

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago

You used the wrong word for "two early!" Worse than Nazi!

[–] mogranja@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 weeks ago

Is this the online equivalent of fisticuffs?

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

No worries fam, I got you.

[–] Trilobite@lemm.ee 39 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's always moral to steal from billionaires

[–] quirzle@lemmy.zip 41 points 2 weeks ago

I agree, but software piracy isn't stealing from anyone.

Stealing definitively requires depriving someone of their own stuff. Piracy is more akin to a massive crowdsourced library. We're all just helping to share the burden of hosting costs.

[–] higgsboson@dubvee.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Most Billionaires don't write much code.

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[–] mogranja@lemmy.eco.br 35 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I want the stuff, the stuff is there. I take it. The stuff is still there, nothing was lost, nothing was stolen.

[–] Celestus@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re not stealing stuff, you’re stealing revenue. The missing revenue is what they care about. But they have plenty of that already, so they can get bent

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stealing revenue it's hypothetical, because it supposes that you were going to pay for the product if it wasn't available pirated. And that is far from being certain.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago

I bought a quite expensive piece of animation software (that cost over $1000) to use professionally. The specific term it was sold to me under was a "perpetual license." I took this to mean "never ending", which is the dictionary definition of the word "perpetual." You can probably guess where this is going.

A few years later, in the middle of a professional project, it stopped working. I contacted support, and was told that they changed the way they were doing licenses so I'd have to buy a new one (at almost double the price) or eat shit. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

So yeah, if you're thinking of buying a Toon Boom Harmony perpetual license, maybe save yourself a lot of money and hassle and just pirate it instead. Or tell them to get fucked and use their direct competitor. I have done both.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why do I sneeze when I’m not even sick?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Irritant particles in your nose. Or you may be someone with a photic sneeze reflex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photic_sneeze_reflex

[–] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] k_rol@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is my voice so low in the morning?

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your bed is too low to the ground, as we age our voices begin to struggle to get upright. Try whiskey.

I am not a Doctor, this is not medical advice.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is it true that if you don't use it, you lose it?

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Whiskey? Yes, definitely. Look up "The Angel's Share".

Next question.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Likely a contraction from a lack of activity while sleeping. Similar to how singers need to do vocal exercises to achieve the full range of what their voice can achieve wbich, in my experience, means being able to reach higher notes than lower notes.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 25 points 2 weeks ago
  1. It's morally good when people access information, culture, and entertainment.
  2. It's morally good when the author of a work gets rewarded by their work.

Piracy is morally justified when 1 is a more pressing matter than 2. As such, it's justified in situations like this:

  • If, in the absence of piracy, the pirate would still not pay for the goods - because #2 is set up to zero (the author of the work is not rewarded anyway).
  • If it's impossible to obtain the goods without piracy. For example, abandonware.
  • If the author of the work would get breadcrumbs of the money used to access legally the goods, and the pirate compensates the author directly (e.g. donation).
[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 weeks ago
[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Honestly, I don't have any issue using a pirated software for my own personal use.

I put the line where you use the software to make money.

[–] Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. Next stupid question.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

yes but why is probably the bulk of it…

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Can purchasing anything within the system of monstrous exploitation called global capitalism be justified?

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[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago

I am not stealing. It's there, I take it and it's still there. Don't know why these posts keep popping up in piracy communities. Same plague was there on reddit too. Like seriously it's 2025.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What's the justification for not allowing me to make a copy? Those who decry piracy call it theft, but it's not theft since they aren't losing anything. Not a physical product they could run out of, nor a potential sale as has been shown time and time again; people who pirate a thing generally wouldn't have purchased the thing anyway.

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[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is there a need for justification?

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

We reject the premise of the question: the onus sits with copyright holders to justify copyright protection.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There is nothing to justify.

I pirate because I want to see the world burn, among other things.

[–] style99@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Better question: Who decides what software "piracy" even is?

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[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Everyone has already given their response so there's nothing really to add other than, well, there's lots of reasons to justify piracy. Most of them are even provided by the publishers / distributors themselves!

Also it's weird to browse the top 10 responses or even below, and NOT see this xkcd posted or even linked. What is going on, Lemmy?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Why would anyone need to justify their piracy?

[–] rolandtb303@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

if they put in DRM that makes the plugins 10x as big (looking at you, Acustica. I don't even use their plugins because of that), or they make the legit version have some bullshit always-online "all-in-one" software (i.e Native Access) which in turn makes the software a bit of a faff to get working in Linux (to install legit libraries for legit kontakt, native access stores those libraries as .iso files and does some virtual drive fuckery a la DAMEONTools), then yes, if the pirated version is quicker to set up and run (and install libraries for), it is justified imo.

Also i hate theaters and streaming services. I'd rather watch whatever movie I think is cool in the comfort of my PC rather than having to drive to the theater (if it's even on there in the first place), or paying for 9000 streaming services now and only watch like a couple of things. The wait for a good webrip (even more so for a BluRay) is worth it.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

It IS justified lol.

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