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AAA pulls back from offering insurance in Florida, following Farmers (www.cbsnews.com)

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[–] argv_minus_one 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yes that sucks, yes people should understand that by not showing up, they then FORFEIT various EXISTING rights like the right to an abortion… but that’s not how people think. People show up for a REWARD… not to defend what they already have but don’t know what they might lose.

Then I find it difficult to feel sorry for their losses. The history books are filled with people losing rights that they refused to defend, and we're all taught the contents of those history books in school. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and no one born in America has any excuse for not realizing this.

[–] alyaza 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The history books are filled with people losing rights that they refused to defend, and we’re all taught the contents of those history books in school. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and no one born in America has any excuse for not realizing this.

you simply have too much faith in the collective school system to teach these kinds of principles to everyone, particularly when Republicans are systematically attempting to gut public education in most of the country. most Americans, in any case, have an exceptionally warped understanding of what "freedom" is, and a lot of them do think it's perfectly reconcilable (and in fact necessary) to be preserved through what Florida is doing right now.

[–] argv_minus_one 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you simply have too much faith in the collective school system to teach these kinds of principles to everyone, particularly when Republicans are systematically attempting to gut public education in most of the country.

This explanation doesn't seem plausible. Most young people do not subscribe to Republican nonsense, and the gutting of public education wasn't a thing yet when the older generations were in school.

most Americans, in any case, have an exceptionally warped understanding of what “freedom” is, and a lot of them do think it’s perfectly reconcilable (and in fact necessary) to be preserved through what Florida is doing right now.

Then they chose to believe lies, and they don't have the excuse of never being exposed to the truth.

[–] alyaza 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This explanation doesn’t seem plausible. Most young people do not subscribe to Republican nonsense, and the gutting of public education wasn’t a thing yet when the older generations were in school.

this is because most young people are so fatalistic about this shithole of a country that they literally reject the American conception of freedom—correctly, in my opinion—as psychotic and responsible for more human suffering than almost any other ideological premise in world history. it's not that they want freedom, it's that they want it destroyed because American "freedom" fucking sucks and so do the vast majority of people who swear by it.

[–] argv_minus_one 1 points 2 years ago

Then it's their responsibility to vote in the Democratic primary and yank the Overton window back where it belongs. Throwing up their hands and refusing to vote is a tacit endorsement of the very status quo they think they're rebelling against.

And these are young, energetic people with the knowledge of the world at their fingertips, so what's their excuse for not realizing this? I realized the importance of voting when I was their age, and I didn't have the benefit of Wikipedia and insightful online commentary to guide me to that conclusion.

[–] AnarchoYeasty 2 points 2 years ago

Agreed. I'm finding little patience for people being discouraged from voting or not being motivated by the Dems not doing enough. People need to grow up, be adults, and realize that whether you sit at home or not the election will happen. And you either get not doing enough, or you get literal fascists taking your rights away. These voters are not children who don't know any better. The best part of requiring voters to be 18+ is each and every person who can vote is an adult. They need to act like it and do their damn responsibility. If the Dems aren't doing enough then vote for more progressive Dems in the primary. But then not doing enough is not an excuse for allowing fascism to become implemented without taking action

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