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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Bethesda covers its arse in anticipation of a bunch of terminally online American teenagers who just learnt the word 'nazi' and would use it to describe a fuckin nun if it made them feel a bit morally superior for ten seconds"

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 47 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I've heard plenty of people try to say WOLFENSTEIN glorifies nazis

I've had one idiot tell me ANY media that paints them as competent or successful is glorifying them. And setting anything in a world where they succeeded and progressed technologically instead of collapsing is basically saying Hitler's world view is valid.

I still don't know how to respond to that beyond "if you think the nazis were incompetent you don't know history, and if you think showing a future where fascism took hold is unrealistic I have some bad news for you"

It's fantasy, and specifically a fantasy in which you get to go on a massive killing spree against some of the worst people in history, how you can somehow pull "this game is making these guys look good" from that, I'm not sure.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I’ve had one idiot tell me ANY media that paints them as competent or successful is glorifying them. And setting anything in a world where they succeeded and progressed technologically instead of collapsing is basically saying Hitler’s world view is valid.

And people still wonder why I pick so much on the wishful thinking fallacy... I mean, that's basically it, right? "Nazi are morally bad, I hate them, thus they must be incompetent". And if you correctly highlight that this is fucking stupid, you'll get some kid saying stuff like "I dun understand, why are you defending Nazi?".

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

If they think that, they may have a problem with what they consider glorified. They may want to avoid recognizing parallels that are far more personal to them.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

If they didn't have at least a few competent nazis, they wouldn't have been such a threat; WW2 would be over in a month. I'm sure there were even competent Talibans and North Koreans.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I take your point but I wouldn't class nuns as the ideal opposing example to Nazis, either.

EDIT: And yes, I know I'm doing the thing.

[–] borf@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 5 months ago

Putting the "God" in Godwin's law