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IMHO XMPP / Jabber is the best Instant Messenger (IM) protocol (feddit.dk)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by privsecfoss@feddit.dk to c/foss

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It is battle tested, standardized, widely used, have open source servers and apps, end-to-end encryption (OMEMO), self-hostable and are low on ressources and federated / decentralized.

I use it with family and friends. Conversations and blabber.im on android and Gajim on Linux. There's also apps for windows and Apple.

Curious if anyone here use it and why, why not?

EDIT: Doh. In these Lemmy times I forgot federated. Added.

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[–] mattj@floss.social 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

@hook
Extensibility is not a reason not to use XMPP.

It's true, not all XMPP software supports every feature. However we didn't all stop browsing the web because Internet Explorer 6 doesn't support HTML5 🙂

There is plenty of modern XMPP software to choose from, and if you don't want to choose, Snikket is a great place to start (in my humble opinion - I work on that project).
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[–] hook@toot.si 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

@mattj, you are totally right re extensibility & I probably worded that a bit awkwardly (I blame jetlag).

I guess my gist would be:
• XMPP is amazing, but also complex
• complexity ⇒ many clients
• small(ish) user base ⇒ not all clients support full Jabber XEP
• ⇒ choice paralysis or bad experience with first choice
• ⇒ user base stays small(ish)

🐔 & 🥚

IMHO to break out of it, we need critical mass (again).

( using #XMPP / #Jabber since 2010: https://matija.suklje.name/migrating-to-xmppjabber-and-aim-woes )

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[–] mattj@floss.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@hook
I understand. Your points somewhat echo what's written at https://snikket.org/about/goals/ and https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/ . I think we agree on many things.

I just get triggered when these problems turn into reasons not to take action. I migrated my family to XMPP and it's great. Others have done the same.

I didn't ask them to choose clients, I just sent them an invitation link to our self-hosted server. They didn't even need tech support signing up.

My message: don't give up 🙂
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[–] hook@toot.si 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@mattj, I guess you’re right.

I’m probably paralysed a bit due to my main XMPP server being (someone else’s) small instance that’s not very maintained (can’t blame them) and every time I log in I’m literally greeted with hundreds (thousands?) of spam invites and messages.

I should probably migrate to a more active server. Happy to pay/donate for it too.

(I moved my family to #Matrix, but would prefer #Jabber, esp. if self-hosting was easy enough for my weak-ass admin skills.)

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[–] mattj@floss.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@hook
https://snikket.org/hosting/ is a paid (well, currently free while in beta 🤫) service that I work on.

There are other hosting options too: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Hosting_Providers
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[–] hook@toot.si 1 points 1 year ago

@mattj, thanks. Will look into it.

...still hoping for an XMPP renaissance.

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