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American Israeli Exceptionalism (beehaw.org)

submitted 11 months ago by TheSean to c/humor

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Where? Why would they do this if they were intentionally targeting civilians?

So there are many examples, but stuff like this has happened a lot in the past 2 months.

Not the numbers, not the intent, not the way Israel conducts itself.

Genocide isn't just killing everyone. The Armenian genocide was a genocide, even though it was "just" forced relocation. And we have this and this, among more, as proof of intent.

That is a truly despicable thing to say. Hamas terrorists went from house to house, murdering, torturing, raping and abducting predominately civilians.

So, you're now taking IDF propaganda at face value. We're not sure of everything that happened on October 7th, but we do know that from 1200 people who died 600-500 were civilians. And those include people who were actually killed by the IDF, intentionally or otherwise (and yes, some were killed intentionally), and those who were killed in the crossfire. Did some Hamas soldiers commit atrocities in October 7th? Yes. Was October 7th one big terrorist attack? Absolutely not. It was a military attack with clear military goals.

i.imgur.com/6ZaCNWi.png

I meant rocket attacks as a large-scale Hamas policy. I thought that was obvious, but maybe it wasn't. Rocket attacks as a whole started with the second intifada, went down with the disengagement (which had marked the end of the second Intifada), went up again because of the blockade that happened immediately after and from there it just follows the general trends of the Gaza side of the conflict. I'm, not sure what you wanna prove here. I said the blockade happened immediately after the disengagement, and you didn't offer any evidence stating otherwise.

[–] DdCno1 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And those include people who were actually killed by the IDF, intentionally or otherwise (and yes, some were killed intentionally),

That is an outrageous claim that requires hard evidence. So far, the only ones I've seen spread it are Hamas. Where on Earth did you pick it up?

The fact that you are spreading casts a big shadow onto everything else you are writing. It's like being a doctor and then casually mentioning that you don't believe viruses exists. Nobody would trust you with anything after that, so absurd is this and I feel like I would be wasting my time further engaging with you on your other points.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That is an outrageous claim that requires hard evidence. So far, the only ones I’ve seen spread it are Hamas. Where on Earth did you pick it up?

Yeah it's a thing. You can find it if you look it up, but there.

To elaborate on the "intentionally" thing, after the attack itself Hamas soldiers holed up in Israeli homes with the hostages, thinking they'd be able to retreat because of course Israel wouldn't bomb them. Then the IDF bombed Hamas along with the hostages. You'll find this in the article, but just to sum up.

I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of this; I thought it would be common knowledge on this site by now.

[–] DdCno1 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mondoweiss literally cites Electronic Intifada as one of their sources. That is an unbelievably unreliable and biased source.

Even this article however does at no point support your claim that Israel intentionally killed their own people.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most recently, Nir Hasson returned to Be’eri and interviewed a local resident named Tuval, who was lucky to be away from the kibbutz at the time of the attack but whose partner was killed. In Hasson’s October 20 Haaretz article, he reports:

“His voice trembles when his partner, who was besieged in her home shelter at the time, comes to mind. According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

I guess you can verify from the Haaretz article whether this is correct or not.

[–] DdCno1 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where in all of this is the IDF intentionally killing their own people? You have not provided anything that supports this claim.

Why on Earth would they be doing that in the first place? That would be comic book level of evil, just utterly absurd for the conscription army of a democracy.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They bombed Hamas soldiers who were holing up in hostages' homes. Intentionally.

According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz.

[–] imalemmy@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jesus you don't even hear your own point moving a million miles an hour do you?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

This is exactly what I said at first. The hostages were in their homes when they were bombed, if that part wasn't clear.