passinglurker

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[–] passinglurker@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Except total unaltering is impossible you can put the big history book events back into place (ie zefram cochrane invented the human iteration of warp drive) but the butterflies are still set loose (ie zefram cochrane was told about the enterprise-E by time travelers and was shown it through a telescope in order to gain his trust and cooperation, a century later a hitherto unmentioned ship of the same name and rough silhouette would be launched supplanting Dauntless as the name associated with the NX-01 registry.) Our time travelers don't notice the differences when they return home because they are so far removed from the altered events that the fog of history essentially covers things up.

[–] passinglurker@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

You're moving the goalposts asking for such explicits beyond what is reasonable. Why would they need to spell it out for you in an interview when they have the actors say "these events weren't supposed to happen" repeatedly on screen? Are all viewers expected to familiarize themselves with every entertainment news article around and about a film or TV show in order to understand it? These things should be intuitive, and if what is intuitive isn't the writer's intent then that's just a failure on the writer's part.

[–] passinglurker@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (10 children)

This timeline is Altered not Alternate They did the same thing for First Contact, and ENT add just enough time travel to excuse not making the show into a history documentary yet none the less its considered part of the same story as everything that was made before but came later in the timeline.

Lower decks had a

spoilerrogue AI attacking a starbase
, but no mass fleet hijacking.

[–] passinglurker@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's these things called "stars" most planets with life on them have them very close by in the cosmic scale of things, and if you look up pictures of the ISS under one you'll see it's actually quite bright...

Maybe this also could help explain the Klingon changes in-universe

I was thinking this to they might refrence ENT's augment arc, the crews full of smooth heads we see in TOS, the fan theory of counter-augmentations and cosmetic surgeries, anything to smooth things over and bridge them together.

I'm not really a fan of "it only looks overdesigned cause its supposed to be alien to you!" That they did with early Disco klingons and have done so far with SNW's Gorn. That line of thinking works for one off antagonists like V'ger, but these aliens are effectively supposed to be recurring characters and and making them and thier ships big balls of (sometimes asymmetric) noise means they all just start looking uniformly chaotic on top of being hard to replicate and recognize outside watching the show.

I'm not keen on "in between the episodes" episodes, you'd either be viewing them out of order or alternating between two different casts.

Contrast that with releasing a TOS “season 4” which uses these same characters and sets, and like all Star Trek leans on similar tropes, but isn’t outright recreating anything.

Technically that's already been done with TAS... Would a TAS remaster similar to TOS-R be out of the question? basically keep the voice acting (and other sfx since I expect it can't be isolated) but reanimate it from the ground up?

Or a non-Constitution like the Reliant?

Oh! Oh! USS Pioneer NCC-1500! its the TOS era STO easter egg also tucked away in the PIC's starfleet museum. I just really like the sort of side kick hero ship vibes the class has compared to other alternate-TOS era designs I've seen.

While I welcome the more flexible interpretation of TOS visuals to make a world that is more immersive and functional while still keeping the color, and perceived campiness, I'd draw a hard line against making a genuine "Re-TOS" as it were. The idea of overwriting, or demoting old performances strikes me as a path to perpetual reboots and origin story retellings like we see with comic book superhero's, and seems a tad rude to trek's own past and how it got here.

Its also pretty unnecessary, folks often talk about how they want to see the old stories updated for a modern audience, but its often the case that the same stories have been retold with different characters and places already throughout trek's subsequent series, and as a result we are flush with ways to retell TOS's hit scenarios without crossing that line. Naked Time(TOS) vs Naked Now(TNG) vs Singularity(ENT) would be a commonly cited example, and we even already saw SNW demonstrate one such way to go about this with "a quality of mercy" a time traveling what-if reimagining of "balance of terror" had pike been captain and not kirk.

I accept and expect paramount to still be making at least one show set in the 23rd century for as long as SNW and its successors do well, but these should be used to look forward and expand on the time period not backwards at where we've already gone before.

[–] passinglurker@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

ENT era.

Externally speaking Starfleet ships march to the beats of NACA/NASA X-planes, Klingon embrace a very soviet yet alien look in contrast, Vulcans look advanced and sleek yet ancient and mythical with the biggest pointiest toys on the block.

Internally speaking construction is depicted as having limits, tech and interfaces are familiar to real world, cramped ship like rooms are the norm, and there's no handwaving over how everything might fit inside the ships.

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