Israel's genocide of Palestinians and its illegal occupation of their lands must be stopped.
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
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It will stop when they're finished. I don't think there's many other likely courses from here.
Israel won't stop until Palestine is gone. That's been the plan the whole time. Israel never wanted peace or a two-state solution, they just wanted the land at all costs - including hypocritically committing genocide by erasing a country and many of its inhabitants.
Israel never wanted peace or a two-state solution, they just wanted the land at all costs
Seems like you're suggesting it's Israel's fault a diplomatic solution couldn't be reached. Interesting that this is in Hamas' charter then, the party that Gaza elected to office and is responsible for the recent murder of hundreds of civilians:
article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
The realpolitik of the matter is that Palestine went to war and lost a long time ago but refuses to acknowledge it. They have no viable path to military victory, yet they refuse to concede and refuse to negotiate for a viable peace. Many, like Hamas, instead openly call for genocide and as we have seen their forces indiscriminately murder, rape and kidnap civilians.
Either Palestine needs to come to the table willing to make some serious concessions, willing to enforce pacification of their more hostile elements, or there will not be a Palestine. Gaza will ebb away one destroyed building and one settlement at a time. They no longer can win on the battlefield or, thanks to Hamas, in the court of public opinion. They have no allies willing to help them. Their neighbors won't even let refugees in due to what happened in Lebanon and Jordan.
If there is truly concern for the civilians in Gaza their leadership needs to embrace a viable path to peace. A good start would be returning the kidnapped and bringing the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity to justice.
None of those things will happen. Palestine will be annihilated. Conflict over.
Either Palestine needs to come to the table willing to make some serious concessions
Israel's never honored any established boundary and takes every opportunity to further expand outside of their territory. Saying Palestine needs to negotiate with the Israeli government is the same as saying "Palestine needs to give up and not exist." Hamas's violent behavior and views have a lot to do with how the Palestinians have been treated over the decades and waving away Israel's behavior that led to this is so short-sighted.
Israel's never honored any established boundary and takes every opportunity to further expand outside of their territory.
"We repeatedly tried invading and killing them and every time they defeated us and took our land, the monsters!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_Israel
Saying Palestine needs to negotiate with the Israeli government is the same as saying "Palestine needs to give up and not exist."
Quite the opposite. Negotiation is the only viable way I see to secure peace and security for both parties. Refusing to negotiate with and continually attacking a superior military force is the shortest path to Palestine not existing, they only exist today because Israel has historically shown an incredible amount of restraint. Thanks to the mediaeval brutality Gaza employed they have lost most international goodwill and Israel has little reason to tolerate the constant murder of its people. They have a blank check right now to address the problem and they will use it to make sure they are never attacked like that again.
Hamas's violent behavior and views have a lot to do with how the Palestinians have been treated over the decades and waving away Israel's behavior that led to this is so short-sighted.
No doubt, but I have a hard time mustering any sympathy for those who behead babies, murder old women, rape civilians in front of their dead friends, kidnap civilians to be used as human shields, parade bloody bodies of their enemies through the streets, and murder hundreds of EDM kids at a festival celebrating peace. I don't care how oppressed they've been, that is never acceptable. I was actually quite sympathetic to their cause in the past but after seeing that, Hamas and the Gazans that elected them have earned what's coming next. It was pure barbarism. If they'd stuck to military and strategic targets, like Israel does, this wouldn't be happening.