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The row centres around the exhibition 'This is Colonialism' and the museum's decision to restrict white people from entering a small section of the display

Police officers are gathered in front of the Zeche Zollern museum in Dortmund, the focus of what social networks are describing as a racism scandal.

The row centres around the exhibition 'This is Colonialism' and the museum's decision to restrict white people from entering a small section of the display. For several months now, Saturdays at the museum have been reserved for black people and people of colour to explore a colonialism exhibition

The museum claims the objective is not to be discriminatory, but to reserve a safe space for reflection for non-whites.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

I would have been much more sympathetic if it was to prove a point, ie "This is the sense of exclusion experienced by those under colonial oppression", but no, it's just some real yikes-worthy stuff 😬

[–] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The museum claims the objective is not to be discriminatory

discriminatory
"treating a person or group differently from other people, because of their race, gender, sexuality, etc."

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 year ago (33 children)

How could they think anything good would come out of doing that. All they do is give ammo to the other side.

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

When you're so anti-racist, you come full circle and enact segregation again.

[–] earthling@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It’s also just plain racist.

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[–] darq@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I kinda wish people cared as much about the actual discrimination minoritised people face that affects their ability to live their lives fully, as they do about restricting entry to a single museum exhibit one day a week.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don’t care about the actual act itself of restricting white people from some museum for a day. In a bubble? Who gives a shit.

But this kinda stuff just diminishes the credibility of legitimate movements meant to actually improve equity and equality. It sways the general public into thinking that rights activism is immature and unreasonable.

It gives the AfD sort of parties of the world really easy ammo and is basically just handing them red herrings served on a silver platter.

Shit is dumb and counter productive.

[–] darq@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I strongly disagree with the argument that we should moderate our behaviour based on what the people who hate us might say about us.

Bigots and fascists don't need to be "given ammo". They just make up their ammo no matter what we do. They lie, all the time. It doesn't matter what we do or don't do, they will find a way to feel aggrieved. Changing our behaviour based on what they might say only allows them power and control over us. And it limits what we can do to actually help the marginalised people they target.

We need to be better about where we spend our efforts. We should focus on helping people, regardless of what bigots say. It's a bad habit of moderates, to spend all their time arguing and negotiating with bigots, rather than supporting the people bigots target.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regardless of what right wingers say, people in the middle – who frequently sway elections – look at news like this and I don't think it paints the left in a positive light.

[–] darq@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Well I think it's a losing strategy to care how to right-wing portrays your actions. And I think that caring for minorities is more important than pandering to conservatives and even to some extent to moderates. Especially since historically rights have been won even when the progressive movements fighting for them were extremely unpopular, in other words pandering to the sensibilities of moderates would have lead the movements into stagnation.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

This kind of self defeating bullshit from the "progressive" wing of politics needs to stop. This is textbook throwing a stick into your own bicycle spokes tier nonsense.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Ah. Tokenism at it best.

Tokenism (n): The policy of making only a perfunctory effort or symbolic gesture toward the accomplishment of a goal, such as racial integration.

You get a news headline and feel so good that you did something...

[–] Hanabie@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is that even legal in Germany?

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As long as it's not a public institution they have "Hausrecht", meaning they can decide who is allowed to enter and who isn't*.

^^^*Terms ^^^and ^^^conditions ^^^apply

[–] half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm curious how they are enforcing this. Is it self-reported or is there someone at the door determining if you're un-white enough? I'm half white and racially ambiguous, so not sure I'd make the cut lol. On the other hand, my grandparents were immigrants who lived under colonial rule.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Frankly, the Irish, Saami, Palestinians, and lots of native Americans are all colonized people who might be considered or visually identified as white. That said, I’m in Germany, it can be racist af, so I absolutely understand how a safe space might be desirable.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is incredibly dumb, but tbh I understand their intention. In Germany you'll meet the worst kind of racists.

Once in Starbucks, a white ~~cunt~~ woman filled my coffee mug with trash while I was in the bathroom... Less extreme, but I think every Asian descendant was at least once told to go back to China. I have been mocked for my Asian eyes, etc.

Seriously, many of their grandparents were okay with locking Jews in camps, the population as a mass grabbed and shared Jews' properties, and then officially killed them in gas chambers.

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[–] Andjhostet@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I actually see the value in providing a safe space for oppressed or marginalized communities, such in the way that women's shelters don't allow men.

I don't know what the answer is be here, but it's not nearly as black and white (no pun intended) as commenters here seem to believe.

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