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[–] noodlejetski@geddit.social 156 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] Helldiver_M@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago

That's a new hell-on-eath I wasn't aware of. Yikes.

[–] Coeus@coeus.sbs 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A good argument for open source

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] oce@jlai.lu 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] Frigidlollipop@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Terrifying. No government bailout for improving people's life quality...

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[–] fades 17 points 1 year ago

Wow that made me so fucking uncomfortable, from the serious adverse affects requiring surgical intervention, the company trying to shout down negativity and just leaving these poor people to continue suffering….

It’s all so horrid, I can’t imagine the stress and impact

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[–] FIST_FILLET@kbin.social 102 points 1 year ago (9 children)

imagine physically embedding the fucking musk into your brain, VOLUNTARILY. i can't imagine anything worse in the world

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People are still driving Teslas right now. Pretty much the same in my book. You're trusting your life to a proven moron.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Elongated Muskrat has very little to do with the inner works of the company now. Even in the heights of his involvement, by his own account, his input was tangential at best, like "we make expensive car now, use this money to make cheaper car" and "we call it x because x is the best name ever"

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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well the disabled people getting this implant probably don't care about musk, it's legitimately a cool technology and good competition for the medical space.

Musk is a cuck still, and I'm sure we'll have to wait a couple generations before we get the dystopian stuff in Neurallink

[–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

Yup. Gotta sell it as a medical miracle before you can sell it as a commercial product.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 86 points 1 year ago

Musk is doing more to make people realize how garbage capitalism is than Marx ever could.

[–] crow 78 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I’m not putting anything in me that’s not foss. I worry for the tech illiterate though when they eventually adopt this idea.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

I agree, I love the idea of a brain chip, but not if someone can change licensing terms on something that's INSTALLED in me.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you going to be that picky when they're fitting you with a pacemaker?

I agree if it's just something for fun though, although personally I'd err on the side of not putting anything in me at all thanks very much. I'm quite happy with my tech on the outside where it belongs.

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago

Pacemakers don't have software, they just have firmware. They don't get any updates and don't have to, so this is a non-issue with them.

[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you going to be that picky when they're fitting you with a pacemaker?

Yes.

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[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Neuralink is an excellent advancement for brain science and it is greatly going to help disabled people and those with little function left over their bodies. It's okay to celebrate this technology while also hating musk.

Like SpaceX, they've both been excellent ventures that he so far hasn't ruined (probably thanks to the people he delegates to). Just because it's fashionable to hate him for how he's absolutely fucked over Twitter (which i'll remind everyone we've always hated and agreed is bad, use Mastodon instead) doesn't mean his other companies largely spearheaded by others, and their results, are also bad.

That's not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn't anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of. What everyones fearmongering over is still just science fiction. It's just barely able to interpret brain signals, it's not as powerful as everyone makes it out to be.

2nd edit: forgot what instance I'm on, this comment probably ain't going to do well lol

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn't anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of.

Yet. They'll get to work on that just as soon as they can, don't you worry!

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[–] derpgon@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I kind of agree. While I think they are not that bad as far as advancements go, most of it is shitstained by Musk, who has to be seen at all cost and have to be seen as the ultimate inventor of everything.

He wants to be seen, stay relevant, and be the boss of everything, that he usually makes dumb decisions, which is a stain on a company mostly relying on a foundation of very intelligent people.

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I agree with your assessment except saying that SpaceX's advancements are "not that bad" is a massive understatement. They've completely disrupted and forever changed the space launch industry, with the help of government subsidies.

Everyone also forgets how Starlink is serving remote indigenous communities and scared the pants off shitty dominant ISPs that have been screwing rural communities over since forever.

I'll re-emphasize my point that I think the results of some large companies, which comprises the efforts of many many smart people, can have facets of it be considered overwhelmingly good.

Edit: some more words

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These ventures succeeded despite him, not because of him.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They'll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you'll probably have to pay a subscription.

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your tinnitus will get progressively louder until you pay your bill

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Hello Satan. I didn't realize you use Lemmy.

[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

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[–] nicerdicer@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I'm mostly concerned about are:

  • Will health insurance pay for the implant in a one-time-payment? Will it be a subscription model? What happens when you can't pay your subscription? Will it be shut off?
  • Will the implant be operated through firmware (like a pacemaker) or software, which reqires frequent updates? If so, will there be - like computer software - "new features" implemented ("With version 2.0 you will be able to share your Neuralink experience with other Neuralink users. Your data may not be leaked, pinky promise."
  • What if a certain mentally unstable CEO throws a tantrum that will affect the performance of the Neuralink implant negatively? Will there be any legal protection from such thing?
[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thought that frightens me even more (although I am not a neurologist) is that if this is installed in children, and the neural pathways for the child's basic functions are formed to pass through that implant, removing the implant will render the child unable to think.

[–] alizard@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Oh god, new horrors just dropped

[–] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I accidentally uninstalled the visual cortex drivers and now I can't use my eyes to reinstall, any help is appreciated

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[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.one 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058 related. It's going to be a subscription service and Musk is going to have his fanboys hooked in for the short life of the company.

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[–] Goodman@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can't wait to sell my excess brain power to crypto miners

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[–] ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

Fox Viewers: 'Don't get vaccinated because there are brain controlling microchips hidden in the jab.' Also Fox Viewers: 'I can't wait to get one of Elon's brain chips to own the libs!'

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wow, who did Elon have to fuck to get FDA approval for a brain chip that's killed numerous test subjects.

Edit: Just a friendly reminder that ublock, sponsorblock, newpipe x sponsorblock, libretube, youtube piped exist

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[–] Granite@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Even if Muskrat weren’t involved, this still has a hell no from me. You leave me and the voices alone.

Although Star Wars cybernetic hands would be dope.

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[–] HippieSplash@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As someone who suffers daily from a traumatic brain injury 5 years ago that's caused me to become physically disabled and cognitively declined, I'm super excited about this.

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[–] camillaSinensis@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Brain-computer/machine interfaces are really interesting when treating conditions like paralysis or Parkinson's disease, and to a certain extent severe psychiatric conditions if you count deep brain stimulation for e.g. severe OCD. I don't think we'll be anywhere near sending detailed multisensory content like ads into people's brains for a long time though. That's so far outside the scope of what brain stimulation can do right now, it's really just scifi.

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[–] tjaden@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago

LastWeekTonight made an interesting episode about medical devices and how they are cleared or approved. The OP's post is about approval for human trials, but I think Neuralink getting approved for the market by FDA and then ruining many lives anyway is a real possibility.

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Pretty soon you'll be required to get one of these as a condition of employment. Just watch.

[–] regalia@literature.cafe 14 points 1 year ago

FDA should regulate me being able to run Linux on it so I can tile on dwm with my MIND

[–] object_Object@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah nothing is even going close to my brain unless the hardware itself is open source

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just wait until it's not technically mandatory, but you can't do your taxes, find a job or participate in society without beaming ads straight to your brain.

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[–] drwho 14 points 1 year ago

Cool. However, I trust Musk and his projects about as far as I can throw a Buick.

[–] worfamerryman 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ll never put a chip in my brain unless it’s a life or death thing. But this is totally going to be what our cyberpunk future will be.

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