A place to talk about how we organise ourselves.
This is the case with every hosted service. It isn’t a choice, it is just how data storage works. Things are always saved on someone else’s machine. Or, in the case of federated systems like KBIN or Lemmy, many people’s machines.
Your data is open and accessible to all. That’s the entire point of federation. Nobody owns it.
Iḿ kind of aware of that but didnt really think thorugh what happenes if I close down my server etc.
What about the rumours of the lemmy dev being a political problematic guy? Not sure what exactly.
Yeah that might be, but he's not on this instance. The only thing I'm concerned with is having a nice place here to us to be. KBIN or Lemmy isn't going to make a difference. The people on this instance provide the value, not the software.
Are you trustworthy ? :D
Yeah I just want to settle a little. Bit stressed with various software platform exoduses.
No, don't trust me ;)
Anything you post here is public anyway really... that's the thing with federation. It is automatically sent to a bunch of other servers, look: https://lemmy.ml/post/1274434
I mean its in your hands. You could just close the server in two weeks because reasons and it all has to start from scratch.
No that’s the beauty of it. That entire community will have been copied onto other servers that subscribe to ours. So it doesn’t rely on our instance. You’ll be able to find all people and content on other servers too.
Not completely true, I think :( I think you're right posts work that way, but not as far as I know users, and anyhow the point of a user is the ability to post. Your domain still holds all the waveform.social accounts, so if you shut down the domains, all the users become unusable. I would very much like to see this problem fixed…!
I feel like storage would fill up quite fast if that were the case
On the one hand, yeah you’re right. But large social media actually work the same way. Reddit will run hundreds of servers and keep a copy of the data on every server. It’s one of the easiest ways to scale. Except with Federation, it’s not a single company running those servers.
I guess the only true way to be certain of things in the federated world is to run your own instance and connect to other instances. Ultimately I do plan to do this with a few things, primarily moving myself off Mastodon.social and onto my own self-install on my own domain, the goal being that I'd have no other users beyond accounts for each of my music monikers and a 'personal' one. I'd love to have a books.mydomain.com instance of BookWyrm too if I can muster the enthusiasm to set it up.
Of course, you can, in theory, also sign up to an instance and then move to another instance. I know there are guides for this portability when it comes to Mastodon, but not sure how it works for things like Lemmy and BookWyrm.
It does, and a lot of Fediverse servers shut down after about two months once the admins realize how much data storage they're committing to!
It's not like every server backs up everything, though. A server only backs up activities performed by actors that are least one actor on the server is subscribed to.
Oh lol yeah, if its not deleted in a privacy concern it must be still available in the fedi.
Got it. Pretty cool actually.
Not sure what they're addressing other than comment/post permanence. I don't totally see how that's a direct connection to privacy
No, tis a silly place
This will be more or less the same with Kbin and inherent with federation.
As far as I understand it (I never fully read the ActivityPub spec, so I'm talking out of my ass here), it's impossible to completely delete data because some instances might choose to ignore the Delete request, keeping the data on it's internal records.