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I'm looking over my options in fleeing for safety as things get worse down here. I am considering joining friends in Oregon but that might not safe enough. I'm gay, atheist, have a college degree (not in anything useful, however), and am everything the nazi's down here hate.

I need to get out.

I know you guys are justifiably pissed at us Americans right now, but if I were to try and move to Canada (and I have no idea how I could possibly do such a thing in time) would I be welcomed there? Would I be safe? Or would I be seen as an aggressor or threat of some sort?

I need to get out of here but if it means going somewhere everyone will hate me I might not be any better off.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think Canadians are generally hostile to Americans unless they prove themselves to be asshole Americans. Lots of Canadians have American friends and would regularly travel over the border until a couple of months ago. And I think most Canadians can see what's going on in the USA and understand that some people may need to flee.

However, immigration to Canada isn't automatically allowed so it's worth doing a bit of research and planning. Here are some government web pages that may help:

https://ircc.canada.ca/explore-programs/index.asp

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think I might fall into the refugee category. I feel ridiculous saying that as there are others who are far worse off than I am though.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

It's not ridiculous.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes, you will be welcomed by the people. Being welcomed by the job market is a whole another story, though one that you being American isn’t really getting in your way.

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

I'm in Oregon. Applying and being accepted to be Canadian will take a long time, my friend. You are welcome in Oregon in the meantime. We are a bastion at the moment but just like the rest of the decent states, we are going to have our rights eroded by the dick-tator and muskrat.

Now if only Canada would offer to take the PNW off the orange cancer's hands. Pretend like your doing him a favor lol

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Canada will be mainly looking for skilled workers in the coming years. Being trained in healthcare or trades or engineering might give you a leg up, but it can’t be guaranteed

But overall Canada is reducing our overall immigration levels due to our previous government allowing many more immigrants than homes to house them.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Construction - building homes - may be something needed in Canada over the next few years if someone isn't a doctor or nurse.

[–] potate@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, I'd give you a hug, take you to my local pub which just so happens to be queer owned and does fundraising for amazing causes and introduce you to my friends and community. Hell, I have a spare bedroom if you want a place to crash while you get set up.

You aren't your government any more than the turds running my province (Alberta) are me. You'll most likely be met with sympathy for the challenges you face in making such a big move and admiration for having the conviction and courage to do so.

Like any country, there'll be jerks, but as a rule of thumb, we're pretty friendly.

Heck, if you want a vacation, shoot me a message and come visit and use that spare room I mentioned. Do you hike or bike? I'm in Calgary which is super close to epic mountain fun and incredible scenery. We've also got three cats who demand attention, and a guide-dog in training who is a goofy/genius puppy, so there's lots of pet-therapy available too.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh god I miss pet therapy. My cat died last year. A snuggly little manx named Ada Lovelace. I still miss her terribly. I dont have any downtime or spare money right now and I don't see that changing. A lot needs to go well in my life for me to be able to pull off this self-rescue, and I'm still in the planning stages but I appreciate the offer.

[–] potate@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

Completely understand and hugs. Pets' lives are too short.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Run away from your problems and dont bother try anything to fix it, the problems won't surely follow you anywhere.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There isn't a non-violent solution to fascism. I am one unarmed man in Ohio. I can't do anything about the nazis. I voted against them. I've signed petitions. I've done all the things a functioning society has available but they don't work when your opponent isn't playing the same game by the same rules. Unless these guys start dropping like flies things wont change. This thing has its own momentum now. I don't have the ability to change that.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Canada's far right party simply needs to convince the equivalent of a couple small towns in quantity of votes to get into power, FYI. That's how close they are to gaining momentum from their current level of national support.

[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Please go away.

Plenty of Jews and minorities fled nazi germany, and as a result have families alive today.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 3 points 3 days ago

Fair point. I will slink away back to my sewage pit, apologies.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The USA is going down a route similar to Germany in the 1930s. Would it be appropriate to preach what you just said to Jews and LGBTQ+ people trying to leave Nazi Germany?

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 points 3 days ago

No you are correct, vulnerable people need to flee to allow violent people to handle their business.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My great-great grandparents fled Europe during WW1 when they were teens.

Did they run away too?

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 1 points 3 days ago

I'm very happy they fled and stayed alive to help create you, because you're an amazing person, but I'm sorry the word "fled" literally means to run away. So yes, they did.

[–] Mushroom@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Try and apply as a refugee.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago

you can't apply unless you have undeniable proof of having been attacked by the state. it's not as easy as the media says

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

My fear is that will take more time than I have.