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Recruitment incentives are needed to boost the number of emergency services volunteers to respond to natural disasters and take the pressure off the ADF.

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[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 hours ago

I volunteer with Disaster Relief Australia and worked alongside the ADF in Lismore. They often didn't have the right tools for the job and we'd share our gear with them. If this is going to become the new norm they need a new approach to disaster management that is much more fit for purpose.

On the other hand, I genuinely think we'd all be better off if everyone was given two weeks paid service-leave each year to spend on a volunteer cause they're passionate about. Everybody should feel secure enough donate their skills. There's nothing more fulfilling.

[–] dumblederp@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

If I could afford a place to live and had received good healthcare for a few issues that I'm told aren't serious enough for surgery (hernia, varicose veins, nerve entrapment), I'd be happy to volunteer.

[–] Tau@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I looked into volunteering for the local SES once (when I was looking for stuff to do with my life after uni) and they turned me down, so actually accepting people who are interested is something that might help with their numbers.

[–] lnlyisol@mastodon.social 5 points 1 day ago

@Tau @MHLoppy

The SES weren't interested in me either.
The RFS actually let me join, after I survived their tortuous multi-multi-month paperwork procedures, then the local clique went out of their way to make the new intake feel unwelcome, incompetent, useless and unwanted.

[–] Joshi@aussie.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I keep seeing commentary saying that we shouldn't use the ADF for disaster relief.

We have an organisation full of people with exactly the skills and organisation required that we maintain at great expense and barely use. Can someone give me a sensible explanation why it's not a good idea to use them for disaster response.

On a second note I know for a fact that small scale politics and wasteful spending are endemic in volunteer emergency services. I'm not sure what reform is needed but something certainly is. I'm about to re-enter a volunteer fire brigade for the first time in years so I'm sure I'll be full of opinions in a few months.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

100% agree on the ADF front. Logistics is supposed to be what the military is good at, and if responding to disasters is affecting their readiness, then we need to increase their resources.

I'm also 90% sure that if the ADF stopped doing emergency response, next budget cycle someone will push for reducing their excess headcount now that they are replaced by volunteers.

[–] notgold@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

I disagree with the small scale politics. On small levels people tend to be leaner with their spending as they actually see it. On higher levels they look at the number of thousands or millions being spent rather than individual dollars. Though this probably changes depending on industry and region.

I'm on the fence regarding the ADF being used in times of need. On one hand if the ADF are tied up sorting out a natural disaster then they can't perform their core function of protecting Australia's borders, on the other hand we aren't at war so why shouldn't they help. If they were scaled up or to add a federal 'ses' (fes?) then I'd be onboard

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Eh, if its a dangerous job that needs to be done, they should get paid. I dont care if the ADF has to expand, or some other paid arrangement needs to be setup, but relying on volunteers is just exploitation.

And if the ADF can't spare a few trucks worth of troops, how ready will they be if NZ pops over for a "special military operation"?

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m not looking forward to the day when we see columns of Bob Semple Tanks crossing the Ditch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Semple_tank

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

That is freakin' adorable! I guess the real threat is the urak-hai inside

[–] MHLoppy@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For better or worse, I doubt converting all the volunteer force to paid positions is in the cards - at least for the foreseeable future. But if people are financially secure (which is not exactly the case right now, generally speaking), encouraging volunteer work is fine imo. The "if" is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there though @_@

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

Yup, thats a huge if, especially amongst the younger people required for physical work like emergency services.

Its a pipe dream politically, but taxing our coal and gas industry to an inch of their life and using it to pay SES volunteers would be a nice start. Its pretty much established that they are responsible for the increased occurances of natural disasters, they should pay a part in cleaning them up. And I'll take my unicorn in pink....