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translation: There are people conjuring thoughts like "I've seen one too many brown people".

Also unsurprising where the sentiment is coming from:

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 days ago

Argentina as usual being two racists in a trenchcoat pretending to be white

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How do people in Japan think that 10% of the population is foreign!?

I guess Argentina makes a bit more sense - except that not many people are trying to get to Argentina. That sounds like Argentina though.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 6 days ago

Argentina have a lot of immigration from Perú, Bolivia and Paraguay, but the important part, I think, is that Milei campaign were pretty much "illegal immigrants are destroying our country" and proposing a lot of shit that already exists, like background checks to get work and studying permits.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Apart from a couple of countries, the percentages are small. The graph is distorted as it's not showing the full 100%

Looks like most people, in most countries, are pretty close to accurate.

[–] uberstar@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Alternative view (directly from the source):

IMO being off by around 10% or more is still quite the leap.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

10% off isn't bad for a casual onlooker at their community. That's 90% accurate.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Right, but those estimates aren't 10% off, but closer to at least 10 percentage points off – percent and percentage points are not the same thing.

Even Australia is ~23% off, and eg. Germany is 42% off, the US is 120% off, UK is 57% off, and eg. Poland is a whopping 650% off

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

People don't give precise percentages though when surveyed. They might round to typical fractions like 1/4, 1/3, or they might round to 10 or 20 percent.

Nobody is saying "hmm, I estimate that it would be approximately 37 percent".

Of course the wisdom of the crowd does wonders for smoothing those coarse estimates, but still, if the crowd is +/- 10 of the real percentage value, I'd say they're pretty much on the money.

Anyway, Poland, wtf.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

People don’t give precise percentages though when surveyed. They might round to typical fractions like 1/4, 1/3, or they might round to 10 or 20 percent.

Nobody is saying “hmm, I estimate that it would be approximately 37 percent”.

Of course the wisdom of the crowd does wonders for smoothing those coarse estimates, but still, if the crowd is +/- 10 of the real percentage value, I’d say they’re pretty much on the money.

Oh yes absolutely, people would definitely just "eyeball" their estimate and the percentages we see in the graphs are population (well, sample) level averages, but I'd still say that the differences between these average estimates and actual reality are by and large much worse that "on the money". To illustrate, if the estimate for some country was eg. 30% and the real proportion 40%, the relative error – off by a factor of 1.33 – would be smaller than if the estimate is 12% and the real value 2% – off by a factor of 6 – even though both have a 10 point error.

So eg Poles' and Argentinians' estimates are both 12 percentage points off, but because Poland's immigrant population is smaller that means that they overestimated its real size by 650% and so their estimate was 7.5x higher, but Argentinians were "only" off by 460% / 5.6x. 'Strayans were off by 7 points, but their relative error was only around 23%, which is still almost a 1/4 error and their estimate looks like it was the best out of these. The average global error was 100%, so on average people think there's 2x as many immigrants as there actually are, and characterizing that as "pretty much on the money" is, well, maybe a bit generous

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

90% or so of people in the USA are immigrants

I dont get these graphs

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

100% or so of people everywhere are immigrants...

[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Perhaps descended from immigrants. I presume most are native, meaning they were born in that nation.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 days ago

Okay that makes sense

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Who are all the people immigrating to Australia?

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
Skilled   Family   Humanitarian All permanent migrants(b)
1 India  356,100 China (c)  133,000 Iraq  62,400 India  439,700
2 England  197,300 India  81,900 Afghanistan  30,700 China (c)   334,900
3 China (c)  196,500 England  79,700 Myanmar  21,100 England   277,500
4 Philippines  103,200 Philippines  64,000 Syria  20,900 Philippines   167,400
5 South Africa  101,300 Vietnam  61,500 Iran  17,300 South Africa   118,200
6 Australia (d)  65,300 Thailand  34,400 Sudan  12,300 Vietnam   82,400
7 Malaysia  52,000 United States of America  27,300 South Sudan  7,000 Australia (d)   75,900
8 Sri Lanka  48,300 Indonesia  21,000 Pakistan  6,600 Iraq   72,700
9 Korea, Republic of (South)  40,700 Afghanistan  18,900 Thailand  5,800 Malaysia   69,200
10 Pakistan  39,000 Korea, Republic of (South)  18,700 Ethiopia  5,700 Sri Lanka   67,700

The above is from https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/permanent-migrants-australia/2021

Looks like all the British are a problem

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What share of the population do you think are immigrants?

Where does “I don’t care” register?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah, same here, zero fucks given, they're people, let them move where they want. The upside, if I dont like it I can fuck off.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Japan what the hell? When I'm there I usually go hours without seeing another white person, depending on where I'm at.

They would have immigrants primarily from other parts of asia most likely

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

We have cities in germany where "5.5%" really doesn't paint the right picture. I've recently been to one where most shops had signs i can't read and more muslims than i saw in Turkey or elsewhere. Seeing or hearing (a) german was a rare exception. And this is really no exaggeration.

Of course if you take all the rural areas into the equation, where usually very few are, you might see the 5% in toto, but in the cities and especially the cores? No way.

[–] lambdabeta@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Interesting that Canada wasn't included (at about 20%). Wonder how/why they picked those countries.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

who in australia thinks we have 20% muslims? we probably dont even have 20% christians

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This does not count Ukrainians for Poland though, even for 2022 before war there were much more of them than 2%, possibly as many as 3 million and that went up in years included here.

[–] uberstar@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yep, that's true, the latest census was from 2021, and the figure was 3.69%.

Probably the figures weren't available to Ipsos at the time, despite the publishing date :/? Idk..

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's different question though on the census, about nationality of Polish citizens. Most of numbers of minorities with citizenship in Poland are Polish minorities who were born in Poland. Like Silesians who are not even officially considered minority and still half million of them wrote that in (in reality there's at probably around a million of them since once the census bureau included them despite government not wanted to admit them at all). And even let's say Polish Germans, Belorussians and Ukrainians (at least those 80000 mentioned in this census) are also living here for generations due to how frequently borders changed in last two centuries.

Polish state is also relentlessly engaging in polonisation of minorities since 1918.