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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Both candidates will support Israel, so for pro palestine voters it's a "Would you like to vote for the Shitty Party, or Less Shitty Party" situation, where not voting from these parties is shunned upon because it will help Shitty Party win.

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[–] BrioxorMorbide@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Because they don't understand that voting is just one part of the democratic process.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago

There are many contributing factors. Part of it is russian and american oligarchs spending heaps of cash to amplify any and every message that could help trump win.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As per the Mueller report: Russian trolling doesnt just affect the GOP.

And now we know that India, China and Iran(at absolute minimum) have their own efforts to that effect too. Israel has had the AIPAC for decades, so theyre guilty of it too.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists everywhere.

AIPAC is doing what is actually effective: lobbying (AKA bribing) politicians.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So are the Saudis.

But to deny that the known efforts of the Russians to fuck with the GOP and at least one known instance of them fucking with BLM is foolish. Go to the Canada subreddit on any news related to India and its full of atrocious asfroturf.

Russia and Trump proved it effective, now everyone is doing it.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Russia and Trump proved it effective, now everyone is doing it.

It did not in fact prove that.

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And should Harris lose this election, the Democrats will again look anywhere but in the mirror for the reasons.

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait til you get a load of the CIA

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[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

To push her to change her stance... you only own your vote. That's the only leverage. She is the reason they aren't voting for her.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election

If you don't live in one of the 7 states that matter in an election then you can vote your morality, safe in the knowledge that the EC will ignore your input, anyway

Inb4 some dipshit mentions down ballots when we're talking about the fucking presidential election

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

are you seriously going to vote for genocide? wtf? i hope you are a CIA/Israeli bot and not a real person

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[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

it's like people forget that trump was already president before. the Israel/Palestine conflict is not new. i'm pretty sure every US president since Israel was founded has supported Israel in every form the conflict has taken. there's more gas on the fire now, but it's not like trump wasn't stoking the flames when he was president last time, and it's weird to think he wouldn't actually contine the bipartisan US policy of providing material aid to Israel, regardless of what fucked up shit they do.

both candidates will support genocide, so at that point you can either not vote, and just let the chips fall where they may, vote for a third party candidate who won't support genocide (because they won't get elected), or choose between the two genocidal options based on other factors, and try and minimize the damage in other arenas.

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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 12 points 1 week ago

US Elections are decided when they do redistricting and manipulate the voting districts to ensure the results they want and isn't a real democracy. The US is run by oligarchs who run their enterprise corporations and the power is concentrated there, not in the government.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because I live in one of the many many states were my vote doesn't matter at all.

What's the point of casting a worthless vote in favor of genocide?

People here act like we live in some kind of actual democracy lol.

[–] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's because of stuff like this:

I'm not a U.S.A-ian. From my view(might be too critical), I don't think the foreign policy would be greatly affected by the President or party, unless there's some massive movement and notion of losing resources like during the invasion of Vietnam.

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[–] Moxible@monyet.cc 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The US two-party system is a duopoly, so whichever party you vote for doesn't matter. They are two sides of the same coin pretending to be opposites.

[–] abbenm@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

One of the most commonly repeated and least thought through statements in politics.

Unions stand a better chance of advocating before an NLRB board that has Democratic appointees. The FTC is going to do more to fight monopolies under a Democratic administration. The EPA is going to fight pfas and lithium mining.

And god almighty is it fucking frustrating to have to say this out loud in a serious conversation to adults, but Justice Elena Kagan makes meaningfully different decisions than Brett fuddrucking Kavanagh. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If you can't acknowledge things like this, I don't know how to treat you like a serious person.

For instance, let's just throw out everything other than the Supreme Court. To maintain the false equivalence, you have to say with a straight face that things like the Janus decision didn't matter, or that overturning Roe vs Wade didn't matter, or gutting the voting rights act didn't matter, or getting rid of Chevron doesn't matter. If you can make any of those arguments with a straight face, I won't agree, but I'll at least believe that you've actually thought this through.

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I voted party for socialism and liberation and you can too!

They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to israel.

Psl is eligible for enough electoral votes to win in a landslide!

If genocide is your red line then they’ve crossed it. How will you respond?

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