@winterschon@bsd.cafe Today’s browsers are monsters, designed to serve overloaded and bloated websites. Today’s websites and web-apps are designed to take everything just because it’s there. I miss the good old days of the internet, when it was mainly designed for sharing information in plain text format (that was the time even before annoying gifs showed up). But unfortunately these days will never come back.
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that's why i love the gemini protocol. it doesn't even support images, just plain text.
@doerk @winterschon That's why the #geminiprotocol is such a nice thing.
@thorstenzoeller @winterschon It is. 99% of the time Images and graphical elements are unnecessary. There are only few reasons for Images, like online shopping or booking your hotel for the next trips. These are things I wouldn’t like to do without having seen a photo. But most times photos are just there to be there, for no good reason.
@doerk @winterschon Exactly, I completely agree. There are definitely situations in which text alone is not sufficient (or other media is preferable), but there are very, very few of those.
And again, https://justinjackson.ca/words.html comes to my mind...
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It's not the browser but the websites.
Two way video streaming will be always resource intensive.
But for the other websites the choise is yours, you don't have to use amazon or goog, there are alternatives.
Also if you doesn't have enough ram close the tabs. My 10 years old low end laptop with 8GB ram, I know I can't have more than 6-8 tabs open at the same time.
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Try appealing to the website goddesses.
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When I started building websites we had just got off of dial-up and a 100K web page was pretty heavy. It's pure laziness to have gig size caches and pages.
It's also pure laziness that applications have bloated to hundreds of gigs
@winterschon@bsd.cafe it’s usually not as bad as it looks though, browsers will use ALL THE RAM if it’s available because why not, you know? Better to use the memory and make everything fast rather than just leave it lying around! They’ll adjust their usage downwards if other apps need the memory.
no, it doesn't work that way. The os does that with caching because it can release the memory should another user program ask for it. The browser just takes all of that memory. As far as the system is concerned, that memory is in use, not available.
@winterschon@bsd.cafe 100% agree , it is getting me mad also
@winterschon@bsd.cafe FWIW, for some reason turning off hardware acceleration seems to reduce overall memory usage. Somehow. Doesn't make sense (it should only affect VRAM) but it helps.
But your fundamental point stands. A simple page uses far far more RAM AND CPU than it should. I like to do a handful of things on a little mini PC I bought a long time ago (I use it sort of like an HTPC) but the processor it uses shoots up to 60+C just opening some sites. Simply opening the site. If I open two bad tabs at once it spikes to 70.
@winterschon@bsd.cafe even my client-side javascript lookingglass () does not need such resources (and that includes a few 100s KiB for ASN&community details)
@winterschon@bsd.cafe I’m on my 8gb RAM Mac and would love to keep using it
@winterschon@bsd.cafe @munin@infosec.exchange Webdevs should be required to work on a Thinkpad x220 with 4GB RAM. The inherent classism of modern software is disgusting.
@winterschon@bsd.cafe I'm not good in benchmarking websites in the browser, but I made a webring for our community this week. can you benchmark it please?
danke!
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