Not in the eyes of the Israeli state, unfortunately.
this post was submitted on 05 Oct 2024
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Yes, people in Gaza are human. And like all humans, they have a responsibility for their actions. Hamas committed genocide on October 7 and are continuing to hold hostages. It's almost a year now, isn't it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
When German cities were bombed to ruin in WWII, the German people realized the hateful movement they succumbed to was not good for them. Afterwards Germany was rebuilt into a peaceful prosperous country. When will Palestinians come to the same conclusion that Germans made?
All I see now is people painting Israel as evil for doing pretty much the same thing the Allies did to Germany in WWII. Being influenced into the hatred Hamas espouses. This conflict will not come to an end by promoting hatred of Israel. It can only end when people recognize their hatred is destroying themselves.
Remarkable Gish Gallop here, a whole string of ahistorical nonsense. To cite one example, what's Israel's equivalent of the Marshall Plan, then?
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Read your history. The Marshall plan didn't happen while the Nazis were running things in Germany. it happened after Germany's unconditional surrender.
So when is Hamas going to surrender unconditionally?
Giddyup! The way Israel treats Palestine is more akin to the way the League of Nations treated Germany under the Treaty of Versailles, and look how that turned out. But, okay, for the sake of argument, if Hamas surrendered unconditionally, what's Israel's Marshall Plan?
Gish gallop.
Bottom line: Israel is a genocidal regime. Women, children, aid workers, reporters, Israel kills them all. The regime needs stopping. Now.
Bottom line: In Gaza there are urban combat operations in a urban area against non-uniformed combatants. Despite this, the total number of casualties (both combatants and non combatants, the numbers aren't broken down) are less than the casualties this year in Ukraine.
Yes civilians die in war, especially when it's being being fought in urban areas. This war is being fought in urban areas because that's where Hamas is holding Israelis hostage in those areas. If you really cared about the toll on the civilian population you'd be calling on Hamas to release the hostages. But you aren't because you don't care about the civilian deaths for anything other than as a propaganda tool.
You guys can preach these kinds of things to each other, but you aren't fooling anyone outside of your little group. People aren't listening to you because they don't care about Palestinians. People do care about Palestinians. It's just that everyone is catching on to the fact that YOU don't actually care about Palestinians and you're just using them as a tool in a campaign against Israel. Shameful.
Jesus Christ. The mental gymnastics.
It’s almost a year now, isn’t it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
Prior to the war, the majority of Gazans did not support Hamas. Because they are extremists who are bad at governing and bad at being nice and sane neighbours.
This did not help them much once the war started. Now Hamas has widespread support, because they are extremists who are good at fighting off a foreign invader that is in the process of blowing them and their families up.
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
They exist, but they are not likely to be particularly vocal about it. Even if a Palestinian does not like Hamas and their actions, from their perspective, Hamas is still on the side of the Palestinians, fighting against an even worse aggressor - one that is in the midst of a geocidal campaign against their people. It's like expecting an Israeli citizen to stand up and condemn the IDF and Israeli apartheid while the Oct 7 attacks were ongoing. There are plenty in Israel who do so. But in the middle of a massacre is not a likely timing for it.
even before the state of israel was declared the iranians and whats left of persia declared war on israel.extinction to be clear.
decades later they do the same shit. more proxies, more missiles, more victims.
while countries like egypt were able to make deals with palestine and now even wont let palestinians in. palestine always chose the worst way. just recently fatah chief motherfucker visited putin the evil dictator.
so while there are plenty of nice and friendly people in palestine, lebanon, syria, iran etc. - ppl are just done with their shit. seriously even a ceasefire...for what? more proxies? using EU and US funding thats ment for schools to build bunkers below?
in hamas propaganda that is also featured in "we will dance again" the hamas terrorists say they expect more than 20k palestinians to be killed. so fuck them. fuck anyone who ever gave the hamastards food or water.
nova festival just showed the world what the palestinians allow the hamas terrorists do to others. no outcry. nope. but the reflex of the palestinians is: but radical jewish settlers bad. true. but at least there is a majority not being total assholes.