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Chronicle the life and tale of the fediverse (+ matrix)

Largely a sublemmy about capturing drama, from fediverse spanning drama to just lemmy drama.

Includes lore like how a instance got it's name, how an instance got defederated, how an admin got doxxed, fedihistory etc

(New) This sub's intentions is to an archive/newspaper, as in preferably don't get into fights with each other or the ppl featured in the drama

Tags: fediverse news, lemmy news, lemmyverse

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Will it be effective?

SpoilerNo, it was not very effective.


EDIT: The banning event continues. Please consult the modlog to observe.

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342

If you scroll down to about a day ago, you might be able to observe an emerging behavior from this mod.


EDIT 2: The mod in question moderates a total of 108 Lemmy communities. How deep does this conspiracy run? Is this mod a lost Redditor? More to come!


EDIT 3: The mod has now removed my comment all together, one might assume because it was still receiving upvotes in the 2 hours following my ban. Are there similarities here to Watergate? You be the judge!


EDIT 4: The mod in question has now been removed as a mod of the !vegan@lemmy.world community, as a result of their abuse of power.

https://lemmy.world/post/19731457

This was their response:


EDIT 5: This will be my final update, since as far as I see it, the issue this thread focuses on has been resolved. To quote Beaver herself in a very ironic comment she made directed towards someone else:

Clearly this was all just a case of...

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Oh boy, it looks like they're posting the "you should feed your obligate carnivorous pets a fully vegan diet" garbage again.

Edit:

Trying to paint your special diet group as a minority group is kinda fucking offensive. People get murdered, raped, beaten, abused, fired, divorced, jailed, tortured, sent to re-education camps, and so on, for being black, or LGBT, or Hispanic, or Muslim, or whatever. Vegans though? No. Unlike the other examples, vegans don't get murdered for something you were born with; they don't have entire continents who want to murder them. They just get ridiculed, and tbh, nowadays most of the ridicule is due to their garbage attitudes and nothing to do with the diet itself.

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Most people aren't vegan, so vegans are a minority. That's not difficult to understand, so we have to assume you're reading in bad faith. Stop it please.

Edit: veganism isn't a diet either. Quite easy to find this out if you even stick the word into a search engine.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

This might be a language barrier thing, but in most english-speaking countries when you use the term "minority" to refer to a group of people, that typically refers to a group who is a minority based on race, sex, ethnicity, gender or some other inherent trait. You might say, "a small community" to refer to a group within a group, but you wouldn't say, "a minority community" for that unless you were trying to imply that the community in question was a racial, ethnic, gender, or other form of minority.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What about "vocal minority"?

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

I have seen the word used in both ways, though I think that in this case the user was intending to use it to imply oppression, rather than simply meaning that they do not have a lot of users.

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago (7 children)

There are certainly vegan diets. People who still eat animal produce may still be interested in vegan alternatives without becoming vegan or vegetarian. And I don't think being part of a small community of a certain life choice isn't really making you a minority in the political sense (I assume that's what the minority part is trying to imply here, that there's some sort of entitlement for a minority protection).

Also, promoting vegan diets for carnivorous pets is indeed animal abuse and should not be defended or promoted. That's typically a telltale sign of veganazis, which are generally a terrible thing even for actual vegans as they put the whole lifestyle into a bad light with their overly aggressive rhetoric and disinformation.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was curious, so I had a look, seems like it still leads to violence in some occurences

A Florida man was recently arrested for allegedly stabbing his cousin after a heated debate about whether whole cow's milk or almond milk is superior.

The debate over whether to consume animal products, like meat and dairy, or go entirely plant-based (vegan) is a hot-button issue, often filled with vitriol and name-calling online and in real life.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-do-angry-vegans-meat-eaters-fight-so-much-2020-2?op=1

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 18 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but c'mon, that's Floridaman. He's a meth head who'd murder someone because he wanted to fuck an alligator and thought he needed a human sacrifice to do it.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

I don't think that counts as targeted hate crime or whatever. He wasn't stabbed for veganism, he was stabbed from the heated argument, which by trigger happy dumbos like these could have been about anything.

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Am I missing something here? The vegan community is for vegans and people to ask questions about being vegan but is not for debating about any part of being vegan. That is their rule 5, which I see people break every day thinking it is ok to shit all over vegans there. If you don't want to hear about vegans then block the community.

[–] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The problem is, in my opinion, that they post memes that are clerly provoking non-vegan people for discussion.

It's weird to jump under a "here are my 15 ways of cooking asparagus" post with anti-vegan content. But "look at these carnovorous clowns" memes are clearly offensive.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This good advice. Everyone should block the community.

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Well yeah if seeing vegan content upsets you enough to break their rule 5 then it is not a good community for you. And that is ok, honestly I get grief in real life about me trying to be vegan. Having a place amongst other vegans and people not anti-vegan is nice. I also don't know the context behind the post so if there is something I'm missing feel free to tell me.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I got banned (rule 5) for downvoting a meme with misleading information. I'm not vegan, but I like the idea in general so I did enjoy seeing content. But things have gone off the rails recently.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I personally believe this particular mod may be abusing the community's rule 5, stretching it to suit their agenda. But I'll leave the interpretation up to you.

Note that others are reporting being banned by simply downvoting community posts. Suggesting further overreach.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Users cannot vote in a community that has banned them. If the mod wants to restrict voting only to people who vote in good faith, that's their prerogative. It's probably a good idea, it prevents downvote spam from bots and the like. When you have a community that has very different values from /all, maybe kicking the /all people who vote against the sub's values out is good. Voting is participation.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Shining transparency on these values and modding decisions to the attention of the fediverse then serves the greater good.

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[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I forgot Lemmy lets you see who downvoted and upvoted. Idk why that is happening. I thought the brigade was about comments.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'll be one to admit my own comment was a bit cheeky. I had honestly never really noticed the !vegan@lemmy.world in my All feed until today, when this particular mod started posting a great deal of really poorly formatted memes. My cheeky comment was my only ever comment in the community.

I can't speak to any actual brigading, as the community normally isn't worth my time, which is very, very important to me.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for adding context, I had no idea what rule 5 was.

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

That rule seems very... Open to interpretation. Thanks for the info though.

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[–] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been banned for breaking rule 5, which is weird since I've never posted in their community.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have you had impure thoughts about breaking rule 5?

[–] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 months ago

No, but you can bet your bottom dollar I will when I go to bed tonight.

[–] kux@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

this vegan drama is dumb as shit

the top three vegan communities by users are hexbear, .ml, .world

hexbear has news, opinions, questions from a vegan pov

.ml has similar

.world has a lot of shitty memes

if you are looking for a serious vegan comm go to hexbear or ml. if you are looking for shitty memes go to .world

if you are not a vegan and just want to lolpost 'but bacon is delicious' keep it to your fucking self

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 16 points 2 months ago

There is also !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org, their own instance

[–] socsa@piefed.social 23 points 2 months ago

I got banned for saying I didn't think the meme was funny.

I legitimately do not care about that, but I do care deeply about how funny Beaver's tantrum is, so I hope she keeps it up.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Justified ban imo. You weren't there to discuss veganism as a vegan, you were there for drama. It's not spam when they make a lot of posts to their own community. Unless the content is hateful, the correct response is to block.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was never there, I was merely passing through All.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Increasingly I believe communities should be able to hide from All. I step into places without realizing it too. They want an echo bunker, not a public sidewalk

To expand:

c/veganism isn't actually a place to discuss the merits or news about vegan topics, or recipes.

It's a place for vegans, and only vegans, to share likeminded opinions on their world view. This is not unique to this community.

Being a non vegan, and sharing a non vegan opinion there is not what they want. They find it offensive, and nearly bannable in general.

Ultimately, that's ok, it's their community.

The problem comes in when their posts land on All, where anyone sees it and feels invited to read and comment and vote. (Which I believe they are). So a mechanism to keep them off All would be useful to discourage people "walking by"

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Increasingly I believe communities should be able to hide from All.

Definitely

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

And I would say with such a rule, places shouldn't have a rule 5 style rule AND be found on All. It should be either or. If you expose yourself to the public (to expand traffic), you.have to be thick skinned enough to handle public banter, which will not align with the community core.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The OP literally shows a screenshot of your comment

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What I mean to say is I didn't enjoy a stay. My comment was made in a manner I would have made in any other community that popped up on All, that was serving up terrible meme after terrible meme. I wasn't there to do anything.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

If you were never a member of the community, then you've lost nothing from being banned, and the mod was right to decide that your comment wasn't a good faith contribution from a member of the community.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

It's not spam when they make a lot of posts to their own community.

I disagree. I see this often from lemmynsfw or various meme communities where some users tend to just dump 5-10 or even more threads. Neither Lemmy nor mbin really uses algorithms to prevent communities from showing up more than once, so you'll always get the full load of those submissions spammed into your feed.

And no, blocking the entire community is not a valid solution when you do not inherently disagree with it.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's also hilarious how they thought they could just ban an instance admin, and when it didn't work call it abuse.

If you consult the modlog, you can see a point during the hubris at which the mod in question was removed as a mod from the community. It is suspicious, and might suggest they were a mod deemed to be spreading misinformation.

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The users at lemmy.world basically already drove the mods in that community to suggest vegan communities on other instances to basically not have to put up with the rest of lemmy.world. It's a dead community walking and the whole ordeal convinced me to block .world. I've seen less content, but damn has my experience on Lemmy gotten a whole lot better.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago

Wow, blocking LW is a bold move.

Interesting experience, your feed must indeed be much quieter

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago

Now I'm wondering if all the other drama surrounding her was actually her fault...

Good job assassinating your own character, I guess, Beavs.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

Ah, this explains it! Saw I was banned from a community that I’d never posted in and evidently one of the mods is a wanker. Mystery solved :)

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 10 points 2 months ago

The heck is going on?

[–] Katzastrophe@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At this point we should turn Rule 5 into it's own joke. Bad vibes? Rule 5. I don't like you? Rule 5. I'm having a bad day? Rule 5. The great servers need a sacrifice? Rule 5. Bitching about Rule 5? Believe it or not, Rule 5.

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