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Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 11 users will not be able to uninstall the controversial “Recall” feature, despite earlier reports suggesting otherwise. Recall, part of the Copilot+ suite announced in May, automatically captures screenshots of user activity on the operating system including sensitive information such as passwords or financial data https://digitalmarketreports.com/news/25091/microsoft-recall-feature-on-windows-11-not-removable-after-all/ Do yourself a favor and get rid of Windows from your life—enough of these greedy companies. #privacy #security

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[–] briankrebs@infosec.exchange 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I found this part to be illuminating:

"Earlier reports by Deskmodder indicated that the latest Windows 11 update (24H2) might allow users to uninstall Recall entirely. However, Microsoft clarified to The Verge that this uninstall option was a bug."

You see, it's a feature, not a bug. But this feature turns Windows into a bug. So...

[–] randomxusr@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago

@briankrebs@infosec.exchange @nixCraft@mastodon.social

Do you all get the feeling that the uninstall options was there for Devs?

And someone forgot to remove it from their project till it shipped?

[–] BmeBenji@mstdn.social 2 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social 2024/2025 will be known as “The Great Defenestration” in the computing world

#Windows #Windows11 #Microsoft #Recall #Copilot

[–] eliteamdgamer@mastodon.social 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I feel this is something that should be on the news for those who arn't technical and on all there social media in the true dystopian light it deserves.

[–] ReversalHatchery 2 points 4 months ago

together in a summary with all other similar shitty changes, because I bet must don't know about any of them

[–] Kierkegaanks@beige.party 2 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social obviously nobody with relevant insight is in control at the windows division of microsoft

[–] tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social

That is "making profit". By any mean.

[–] irregularjoe@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I'll never install Windows 11.

[–] Bruce_Toews@caneandable.social 1 points 2 months ago

@frog67@tweesecake.social @nixCraft@mastodon.social That article goes back to September 15. This is from Microsoft itself and is dated September 27th. It states that Windows Recall can be removed; it also gives a very extensive explanation of the "feature"..

[–] adonnen@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social literally why??? Casual users usually don't even know how to access the optional features menu. Just seems like pointless bad PR

[–] Hobs@social.linux.pizza 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Alternatives to
Microsoft
that wont spy on you:

[–] Newk@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social

You know what I can uninstall on my machine? Everything.

#linuxmasterrace

[–] alostkender@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Welp, time to make myself do the full swap to Ubuntu. Just gotta make sure Citrix works.

[–] rxx256@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social As always, switch to Linux

[–] Riduidel@framapiaf.org 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Recall is the reason why I let Windows down two months ago, a move I'm happy with.

[–] Benaresh@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Windows 11 and the shenanigans with windows 10 made me install mint.

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[–] aapis@mastodon.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social the AI features will continue until they generate something of value!

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[–] cosvak@mastodon.world 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I guess I'll wait for a "custom" version of 11 to hit the torrents.

[–] _L1vY_@mstdn.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Yikes 😓

[–] paladin@mastodon.online 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Still open for recommendation for an affordable gaming-linux laptop (17+" size) (Must not be Linux pre-installed).

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[–] tragicomedy@mstdn.party 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Is this even legal?

[–] jamesjguthrie@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social yeah this is horrible anti-privacy stuff and I am about ready to finally ditch Windows.

[–] 0leil@piaille.fr 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social is this some features tied to Copilot+ and its hardware limitations (crazy performant NPU), or is it always-on and if you have the hardware capabilities, Copliot+ will make use of it. The solution for the former is simple, do not buy any PC compatible with Copilot+, if it is the latter, going for another OS is the only sane option.

[–] yora@mastodon.gamedev.place 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social

[–] PaulaMaddox@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social been thinking about switching for a few months.
Kinda not surprised.

[–] BoydStephenSmithJr@hachyderm.io 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I agree, but maybe it's not easy to avoid MS Windows for many users. OS X only (officially) runs on Apple hardware. Linux is pretty easy to install these days, but has an even worse support structure for many users, and plenty of its own downsides.

[–] alihan_banan@mastodon.world 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social users will just install yet another debloat script that works and looks like crap and continue support Microsoft with their money not even thinking about moving to other OSes and showing MSFT their opinion in the only logical way

[–] Doppelganger75@mastodon.world 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Recall is part of Copilot, which you can disable.

[–] Change@discuss.systems 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social need alternative😊

[–] rejzor@mastodon.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I would if I wasn't gamer. All my other systems run Ubuntu, but for games, especially older ones or online with anticheat, Windows is still required because I don't have time or nerves to fuck around to make games just work. Which is unfortunate because I like Ubuntu's GNOME so much more than stupid Windows 11 today.

[–] melroy@mastodon.melroy.org 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

@rejzor@mastodon.world @nixCraft@mastodon.social I only run Linux, most games work fine under wine or via steam Proton. If you can't play a game under Linux due to some stupid anti cheat then don't promote and play the game.

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[–] intelgraphy@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social I am deeply concerned about progressive creators on YT who may be using Windows 11 and may not be 'tech-savvy' enough to be aware of the major privacy issues and alternative operating systems. They've been faced with relentless censorship and attacks from big tech, governments, and bad actors already.

[–] circuit_cat@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social .....this basically signs a death sentence for Windows in government or health environments. This...there's no way this is going to stand - the same three-letters are going to lean hard on MS to get it off.

[–] avoidthehack@infosec.exchange 1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social If I remember correctly, they did the same thing (unable to uninstall) with Win10/Cortana, but you could disable it in the registry. Wonder if something similar could be done with Recall.

In any case, Recall is an absolute shit show both security and privacy wise.

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[–] aho@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social who cares, ms-windows is the past...

[–] nixCraft@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

This feature is a wet dream for three letter agencies or bad actors. It can’t get better than this. What next turns off TLS? I don’t know a single security researcher who will recommend this feature.

[–] mikeTesteLinux@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social More than a wet dream for any spy agency. We will call it SpyOS instead of windows. Confirm my choice to switch to Linux even more.

[–] asterisk@social.linux.pizza 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@nixCraft@mastodon.social At least it’s offline (for now)

It’s not like this feature is on an OS that’s full of holes or anything :troll:

[–] melroy@mastodon.melroy.org 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

@asterisk@social.linux.pizza @nixCraft@mastodon.social you really gonna believe it's offline?

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[–] pr06lefs@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social How could anyone recommend this OS to orgs that work with sensitive data?

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[–] edujillo@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social
Very well said!
Go to Linux now!

[–] Hobs@social.linux.pizza 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Alternatives to
@Microsoft
that wont spy on you

[–] dbat@mastodon.gamedev.place 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social This is bindmoggling!

[–] BritishTechGuru@techtoots.com 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Windows just keeps getting ever worse because nobody screams - "Stop. This is bad". I dumped Windows back when XP was still around. There has been no version of Windows that hasn't been bad in some way or another. I went from XP to OSX to Linux. I've used Linux exclusively for most of the past 10 years.

[–] doerk@nrw.social 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social Any more reasons needed for switching to Linux or *BSD?

[–] textbook@social.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago

@nixCraft@mastodon.social

@bhaug@digitalcourage.social

Microsoft hat bestätigt, dass Windows 11-Nutzer die umstrittene "Recall"-Funktion nicht deinstallieren können, obwohl frühere Berichte etwas anderes vermuten ließen. Recall, Teil der im Mai angekündigten Copilot+-Suite, erfasst automatisch Screenshots von Benutzeraktivitäten auf dem Betriebssystem, einschließlich sensibler Informationen wie Passwörter oder Finanzdaten.

#privacy #security

[–] courtneyamitie@mastodon.social 1 points 4 months ago

I smell a lawsuit! Maybe more perhaps....

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