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I am not an atheist, I genuinely believe that God exists and he is evil, like a toddler who fries little ants with a lens.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 95 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 9 months ago

Dystheism

TIL

[–] leadore@kbin.social 59 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've always said (jokingly since I'm an atheist) that Christians got it mixed up and thought Satan was God, so they've really been worshiping Satan all this time. They don't want to admit they're wrong about him being good, so they make up all kinds of excuses for all the horrible things he does. That's why they were totally conditioned and ready to do the same with trump.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 17 points 9 months ago

No, Satan is just a being created by God who realized how fucked up God is.

Of course, the issue with God is that its presence equates power with morality, which makes people think Trump is a moral man.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

The Christian god is just a spurned lover who wrote in their diary about how stupid and mean their ex is and they should never have dumped him.

Satan is the dumper and has moved on long ago.

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the term i always heard was maltheism. reading the other comments though, i'm surprised how many other terms there are for this.

fun fact: renowned mathematician Paul ErdΕ‘s referred to God as the SF, or Supreme Fascist, who kept all the best mathematical proofs to himself.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Erdos was fucking weird, lol.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I genuinely believe that God exists and he is evil, like a toddler who fries little ants with a lens.

That could describe the Demiurge in Gnosticism.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Misotheism.

Miso as in misogyny, misandry, etc. Not as in the delicious fermented paste that makes a lovely soup.

Its 'god(s) exist(s) and can absolutely go fuck itself/themselves, possibly for the following reasons...'

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

Shit, now there's a religion I could get behind!

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes, it is called Heresy.

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For there is but one god and he is mighty.

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IN HIS NAME WE SHALL PURGE THE UNCLEAN.

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ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GOD-EMPEROR

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FOR GLORY AND FOR TERRA

[–] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 20 points 9 months ago

God is unreasonable and scary when you are a Christian, at least for me when I grew up. You're basically told he can read your mind so you pretend he's a great guy, but to me an evil God is just Christianity.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

The philosophers religion.

This is definitely some shit Nietzsche would crack up high as fuck on opium. Hell im pretty sure he did.

also, if we're going by traditional religious figures. Satanism. Though modern satanism is very different. I would argue that this is more accurately described as "christian satanism" or "christo-satanism"

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Some forms of gnosticism say this

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

The term you’re looking for is Evilgodism

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Isn't the god supposed to define what good and evil even is, and wouldn't therefore any monotheistic god be "good" by definition?!

[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Socrates answered this. If morality is objective or has an objective basis then it is necessarily independent from any God or god's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma

Edit to add: If you're interested in the concept of an evil God in the context of Christian beliefs I recommend reading "Answer to Job" by Carl Jung. He doesn't exactly make the Christian God evil but ascribes moral failings to God and frames Jesus as the redemption of God instead of the redemption of man.

[–] AndrasKrigare 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Neither of those are necessarily true. For an Abrahamic god, sure, but one can certainly conceive of a god that doesn't define good and evil, and a god that defines good and evil and doesn't define itself as good.

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I would even call a being like that "god", more like "evil spirit" or something.

[–] AndrasKrigare 2 points 9 months ago

These things aren't well-defined, so you're certainly welcome to, but I think most people would consider an omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe to be a god and not a spirit.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago

That's what people say, but in practice people have their own ideas and just project them on to god.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Somewhat off-topic, but there's this line of thought, which multiple Christian thinkers have come up with throughout the centuries, called the Ontological Argument. It basically tries to prove the existence of the Christian God with only pure logic, no axioms involved.

Proofs without axioms don't exist elsewhere, so take the following with a massive grain of salt, but basically it goes:

God is a maximally good being. Existence of a maximally good being is itself good. Therefore, God must exist.

Aside from this being circular reasoning, it also involves a massive axiom: The existence and definition of good vs. bad.

But with your point, we can advance the argument even further:

Defining what's good is good.

That way, we get twice the circular reasoning, but no axioms anymore. πŸ™ƒ

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[–] Granite@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yet the first words there say

Misotheism is the "hatred of God"

so that's a different thing.

[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

How about Divine Misanthropy?

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

So many things are blasphemy to someone. More specific please.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The real question is why do you feel so angry and upset about your life? I would start focusing on the good things not just the bad ones.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

That's completely irrelevant. You can be working hard towards something and achieve it while there is someone always trying to sabotage you. I am asking about the saboteur

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Most likely the saboteur doesn't exist and you're having bias reviewing your life.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How can you assume that? There is no data which supports the absence of a creator. As long as the initial cause is not determined it's all hypothetical. It's like arguing between Copenhagen interpretation and Many worlds. All arguments are moot without data.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How can you assume that? There is no data which supports the absence of a creator.

I said "most likely". If you have material, objective, reproducible evidence that skeptics can examine proving the existence of a god, please present it. And win a Nobel prize.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What I mean is that we don't have any data to even comment on the likelihood. You can't say most likely.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 9 months ago

Apply your comment to fairies. Do you arrive to the same conclusion? If not, why?

[–] noxfriend 3 points 9 months ago

And in that situation, the safest bet is to say no. See: the invisible dragon https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

I have changed my mind about how much we should bet on the fucker actually existing. The dude who sent the Carl Sagan video... You da mvp

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[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Maybe apatheism?

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My limited experience with going to Church of God places indicated to me that they hold this belief, but I do jot know the term for it. They didn't pray to god, they prayed to Jesus, specifically. And cried for him. And thanked him. And apologized to him. And so on. All to Jesus, not god, who are apparently different.

The idea of the Trinity is not the same across all "Christian" religions, see Arianism for example of an early split.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

They certainly didn't start out this way, but the terms gnosticism and manichaeism are now both used loosely for this depending on the context.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 9 months ago

Adaptus Ministorum

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