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[–] olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Fascist journalist fears for life." I fail to see where the problem is. People would have been cheering this in 1945.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

One problem is that what they're calling him is completely inaccurate. "Journalist" implies impartiality, of at least content with a non-zero amount of truth.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's more than just "fascist journalist". Journalists report facts (at least that is what they're supposed to do), any "blah blah journalist" is just "blah blah"

Also, fuck this guy, he doesn't fear for his life, it's just a made up story so they can again shit on those they hate.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

He doesn't fear for his life? There could have been deadly cement in that milkshake!

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this the asian guy who doesn't understand that white supremacists only like white people and claimed to be suing the CEO of Antifa for damages that never actually happened?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

I thought this was Asian Elon Musk

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 16 points 9 months ago

Bash the fash!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 9 months ago

Best math course I’ve taken since schooling.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Finally I understand what antifa means.

I am not American and have been out of the loop for years now.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

It was deliberately shortened to antifa and pronounced in a different manner to let conservative news media separate antifa from anti-fascism.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Anti-antifa does not subscribe to the law of the excluded middle, so double negation elimination does not apply.

EDIT: This was a math joke, but I'm proud that it seems to have gone over so many heads.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago
[–] Michal@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You can be anti something without supporting its polar opposite

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

I hate people that are against fascism

...Totally not a fascist though

[–] StThicket@reddthat.com 11 points 9 months ago

If you are against people who are against fascists, wouldn't that indirectly say you don't care about fascism? And that's how fascism gets a foothold. And with that logic, you indirectly support fascism.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Not really there are anti antifa centrists and leftists that are simply against extremist movements. At least where i live antifa is pretty militant so people basically group it with the fascists which is pretty ironic if you think about it. A long time ago i was also anti antifa but seeing the lenghts that "conservatives" go to fuck up everything we love im also swinging to a more violent leftism.

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago

This is a wording error, a lot of people fell for. Antifa only means you are against fascism and nothing more.

More simpler? If you aren't a fascist, you are antifa!

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago

At least where i live antifa is pretty militant

You're full of shit. Show me an article of your "militant antifa". If it's as bad as you say someone will be reporting on it.

[–] Charmille@feddit.ch 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Real fascist are anti-antifa ? 🧐

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 9 months ago

There are two separate equations. The third panel shows the negatives cancelling.

[–] mino@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago
[–] anarchotaoist@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Antifa = antifascist like The Democratic Republic of North Korea is democratic.

Flip again.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nope. Antifascism is antifascism.

You're an AnCap, so it's not surprising that you're a fan of redefining established words so you can LARP.

[–] DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 months ago

Nah you wrong lil cuz

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Why do you say that?

I've asked before, responses are like, "look at this video of antifas yelling at a guy! That's fascism." But that's simply not correct.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

How fucking dumb are you?

[–] Aaron@feddit.ch 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I mean that would make sense if Antifa had anything to do with fascism. It's just one of many movements wearing labels that intentionally misrepresent it's members.

It's like being anti-Patriot act and then others claiming that you're against patriotism.

You're playing into their hands.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Love this argument.

You wouldn’t know a fascist if it grabbed you by the pussy.

And that’s like saying “If Black Lives Matter were actually black” or something. Antifa isn’t a group, person, or organization…it’s an idea. Much like BLM or Occupy.

The real problem is that the idea ends up losing focus as it gains support, and then it gets spread out too far, and then it dies. Happens nearly every time.

[–] Moira_Mayhem 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you are mistaking infiltration for 'getting spread out too far'.

Nearly all of what you describe can be most easily attributed to planted agitators.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, sure, it can, but I think it’s more of just a sign of the times. I think infiltrating and co-opting an ideology, intentionally, is pretty difficult…unless the infiltrator already has a large platform, they will likely be drowned out. Otherwise I think sabotage is a better (as in more effective) approach to slowing a movement (such as inciting riots).

For one, communication is rampant and anybody can get a platform. This is great for starting and growing a movement, but this makes it really difficult to maintain a movement. A large number of well-meaning people with a pre-existing platform (namely influencers and YouTube personalities these days) that each interpret and redistribute the message just sligntly different than original. From there it spirals into a huge, multi-pronged game of telephone.

For two, a lot of the leftist movements inspire democrats to join into the crowd. The democrat party has become the de facto big tent party. At this point it’s embodying the ideals of like 80% of the political compass. Naturally, this attracts a diverse range of idealogies, who want to interpret and spread the movement slightly differently.

Lastly…it’s fucking tough to lead a movement man. I couldn’t imagine what it takes to essentially corral millions of people around an idea.

The first and third points are probably why we don’t see a lot of celebrity activists these days to the level of MLK or Malcom X. The increased scale and speed must make it incredibly difficult to get and maintain control.

[–] Aaron@feddit.ch 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Love this argument.

Me too!

You wouldn’t know a fascist if it grabbed you by the pussy.

You're correct. I wouldn't. Because I don't have one.

Antifa isn’t a group, person, or organization…it’s an idea.

Tell that to it's supporters.

Much like BLM or Occupy.

Wrong again.

The real problem is that the idea ends up losing focus as it gains support, and then it gets spread out too far, and then it dies. Happens nearly every time.

Well unfortunately this one persists.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Antifascism is an idea. There are groups centered around said idea, but "big antifa" isn't a thing.

Being anti-antifascism is pro-fascism.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Tell that to it’s supporters.

Okay, find me one.

[–] dolle@feddit.dk 2 points 9 months ago

Well, only classically