As always, I will not actually believe there is a new Trek movie being made until my butt is in the seat, with a popcorn in one hand, Dr. Pepper in the second hand, opening credits already rolling on the screen.
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They don't have Dr. Pepper at my movie theater so I guess this movie really is never seeing the light of day :/
It's beginning to feel like Charlie Brown and the football at this point, but let's see if they can actually get this one off the ground.
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Basically where I'm also at.
Also, as someone noted in a Discord chat about it, "decades before" only gives you a small window between the start of the Kelvin universe and Trek '09, otherwise too far back and you're making a Prime Timeline movie. So that'll be interesting to see what they plan.
I would take that with a grain of salt - it's a general-purpose Hollywood outlet reporting what their sources told them, so there could be room for inaccuracies.
They could also follow Simon Pegg's contention that the Kelvin and Prime timelines could be different at any point in history (which I support).
@ValueSubtracted @startrek Well like we said, all news about a Star Trek film comes with lots of salt onboard 😂
At this point the Kelvin timeline is just a handwavey excuse for recasting Kirk and crew of TOS and following movies. And a prequel to Kelvin is an excuse to recast those parts with younger actors.
Personally, I could care less about new movies featuring the TOS characters. Star trek evolved past them 30 years ago, I wish Hollywood would realise that.
There are actually differences in the Prime and Kelvin timelines that happened before Nero's incursion. For instance, Kirk's date of birth is off by several months. They tried to justify that afterwards by saying something about the event sending shockwaves through time to change things before it even happened or something like that. The real reason probably lies in that interview where JJ Abrams admitted he never liked Star Trek, but you could argue that the removal of various down-stream time travel events, like the events of "The City on the Edge of Forever" likely not happening in the modified timeline, could actually cause retroactive changes to the timeline.
But anyway, the Kelvin timeline already diverges before the Kelvin-Narada thing, because reasons.
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
I know people like to say Trek was meant for the small screen, but I honestly love all the (well, non Kelvin) movies and am very excited for this.
It's me. I'm people.
Anyone else bothered by yet another prequel? Enterprise, Kelvin films, Discovery (s1-2), strange new worlds … there’s clearly a hesitancy to do something new right?
It doesn't bother me at all, because I don't think a fictional universe needs to have a "default" setting.
Aren’t prequels the default setting? What trek have we had since voyager that didn’t have a Spock or Soong in it?
Lower Decks, Prodigy, Picard, late-period Discovery...is that enough? Should I continue?
is that enough? Should I continue?
There are more?
But to dig into this ...
- Separating late-period from early period Discovery doesn't really work. As much as I like the time jump, it's pretty much the same show, and Burhnam is still Spock's sister.
- Picard is still a relatively hard se-quel, which resonates with the essence of my argument ... plus it had a Soong. I'm not sure you can describe S3 as any less nostalgia baiting or digging into established IP than any prequel. Not sure Picard, especially S3, is a convincing example of "Star Trek doesn't have a default setting".
Which leaves Lower Decks and Prodigy ... which are by my reckoning the two relatively universally appreciated Trek projects since Voyager (at least amongst those that have watched them) ... which I would claim is not a coincidence (not that we all have to like the same things).
They're both animated too which I feel exemplifies the risk-aversion modern Trek production has to "new" projects/characters etc.
Separating late-period from early period Discovery doesn’t really work.
So your contention is that the third and fourth seasons of Discovery are a prequel to...something?
Picard is still a relatively hard se-quel, which resonates with the essence of my argument
Which makes it a prequel? Your argument is that the default setting is "prequel."
But okay, prequels are bad and sequels are bad, so I guess we need to pick one episode of "old Trek," and all future series and films should occur simultaneously with that episode.
Sighs. For a moderator I have to say this is poor form.
You’re putting words into my mouth, putting up straw man args, misinterpreting my statements and not really caring to try to engage with my side of the discussion all while being unnecessarily aggressive for what is a difference of opinion.
I hope you’re just in a bad mood.
But to clarify … it’s simple … leaning into old IP vs coming up with new IP.
I think there’s been too much of the former and not enough of the latter. I fear this new thing will continue that trend. Your argument about “default setting” is basically the same thing I’m saying where I think the interest in anything that can be directly tied to anything TNG and earlier is the “default setting”.
so I guess we need to pick one episode of “old Trek,” and all future series and films should occur simultaneously with that episode.
Don’t know where you pulled that from. It’s literally the opposite of what I’m saying. Really not sure what’s going on here.
And TBH, I’m going to report this, whatever that means in this situation. You’re being a moderator factors into my decision to do so.
Aren’t prequels the default setting?
The literal words out of your literal mouth.
And spare me the concern trolling bullshit.
I’m not clear on what you mean by this?
Are you trying to say that I can’t clarify my sentiment or why I think something and so once I say one line everything I say has to be blind to its strict and literal meaning?
It’s not like a preponderance of leveraging older IP can’t make someone tired of prequels (which were the first words out of my mouth).
Or, if you’re trying to counter my criticism that you’re putting words in my mouth. Well your quote is from a couple of posts earlier … you were replying to a different post with different words.
And spare me the concern trolling bullshit.
What’s funny is that I’m not trolling, and accusing me of that in this rude way only exacerbates this.
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I'm OK with more prequels if it means letting Terry Matalas continue handling the post-TNG timeline.
I’m with you.
The fun thing about the Matalas post-TNG/legacy thing for me is that it nicely straddles the line between being new and nostalgic. Seven would be captain and a whole bunch of other stuff too would be new, but still connected to the TNG era past.
This is the same guy who directed the Black Mirror's Star Trek homage episode "USS Callistor"
What the hell!! I want more Stange new worlds! It's probably one of my favorite of the treks.
Please just make more SNW.
@crazyminner @startrek This doesn't have anything to do with SNW. Season 3 of SNW started filming a few weeks ago.
No need to worry, TV and movie Trek are usually produced independently of each other. You can have one and the other.
"Decades before" Star Trek 2009: that would be in the post-Enterprise, pre-TOS/Kelvin era. We know the first Romulan war happened somewhere in there; anything else?