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Like maybe the day might still get called monday, but will it have the same or similar meaning (aka people hate monday as the start of the work/school week)?

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[–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 9 points 10 months ago

80% of everything sucks. It'll keep on sucking after anarchy. The only difference is the drive to do the sucky work comes from within, so "I hate Mondays" becomes more of an adulting exasperation.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago

Unless you have fully automated luxury anarchism you have people working and for a lot of things working in a team is just the way to go. So yes most realistic societies will have Monday. Shitty work has to be done and as you are just not going to be able to have all tasks done by somebody who likes doing them.

That being said without capitalism we can rethink how we use the machines we have and just produce less. We are already able to produce more then enough to give a good life for everybody on the planet. For rich countries halving the workweek is already entirely possible with easily meeting everyone's basic needs rather well. You have to reduce a lot of waste though, like most cars, packaging, flying and so forth.

Also people will probably go to some kind of education. So that is not going to go away. Any society needs skilled people and they need to be taught somehow. So some kind of school would have to be around.

[–] jugularmalloy@slrpnk.net 6 points 10 months ago

We might need a community meeting at the start of each work week so that we can update each other on everything and make any decisions that need to be made. So that could be pretty groany. Probably dependent on the quality of the snacks. Which will depend on the season, your local ecology, and whether you have some good snack-makers in your tribe.

tl;dr: snacks.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 months ago
  • the meme is: “You don’t hate Mondays, you hate capitalism.”
  • “Monday” = “moon” + “day”
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, think about a four day work week with Wednesday off work. When's "Monday"?

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You just doubled the (probably more my) problem hahaha, Now we have monday and monday2 (former thursday).

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

You’ve had Monday, but what about Second Monday?

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I did not want to steer the discussion into a specific direction by having my own take be the main focus, but I will put write it as a comment.

I would love to have "mondays" just removed lol. For me the biggest problem with mondays is that they stand for work / school / whaterver kind of thing you have to do. And those things very often are a thing seperated from what I would call living. I did not go to school because I wanted to learn or because it helped me learn things in any kind of self determinated way, I literally had to. Work is pretty similar, I work because I need money to survive not because the things I do at work actually have any meaning to me or because thats how I would want to contribute to society. I would rather do / learn more demanding or harder or more tasks / things if it actually was to the benefit of me or my community or the world. That would actually feel like living.

So by abolishing work and school I guess we would abolish "mondays" too. If I have to get up on monday its not my revolution

shutout to !antiwork@slrpnk.net btw

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[–] emptybamboo@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

I would like to think that there would be less of a divide between home and work in a Solarpunk world. The Monday effect comes from people feeling like they must only live for the weekend because that is their real life versus work which is not. It will all be a part of your life. I don't think people would work all seven days - I still think there is a place for a secular sabbath [the need for times of rest, recharge, and relaxation]. But people wouldn't feel like their sabbaths or rests are like thirsty people in the desert finding an oasis.

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What if we stopped thinking about time in terms of days of the week and just use the date instead?

Today would just be the 29th of Dec. Why do we even need to name days? And why only 7, then we restart? Why not two weeks of 15? Or 6 weeks of 5? It seems arbitrary.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

Thats actually something I thought about recently. My whole life seems to be cut into 7 day pieces and that really annoys me. Idk if there is a solution that fits everyone but achieving a more individual way of structuring time would be great.