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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 165 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] bady@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am an atheist and I believe the world would be much better without religions. Having said that, I don't conisder it as a scam in itslef. Instead they must have been something evolved over the time due to our ignorance, fear and helplessness. The very same factors that still keep them going.

But hell yeah, people are exploited in the name of religion. I'm from India, one of the largest so called democracies, currently under the governance of a fascist hindutva party that thrives on polarizing people in the name of religion.

BTW I was actually looking for specific instances of scams carefully plotted by known people, companies or even countries instead of broad answers like religion.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Having said that, I don’t conisder it as a scam in itslef

I think the more correct thing to say is that Organized Religion is a scam. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being religious (provided you don't force those views on others), but organized religion always winds up rotten at the top - and it's not surprising. Organized religion is one of the most powerful tools for controlling people, even if it wasn't (though it might have been) intended to be that way at the beginning. A king/president/dictator can threaten the lives of their subjects, but only a holy man can threaten their immortal soul (from the perspective of the devotee anyways).

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now that's a take I completely stand behind and agree with. I couldn't have put it better myself. That said, some religions were not made with the intent of controlling others. I don't think Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism were made with the intent to control people. We can argue about Judaism, Christianity and Islam, as they were made for control by their founders, and what they intended for these movements after their deaths we do not know (or at least I don't, maybe someone out there does).

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Again - I'm not arguing necessarily that any of them started out that way, in fact - I'm willing to bet that very few (looking at you, Mormons) actually were. Most religion (in my humble opinion) just stems from folks trying to make sense of an unfathomable universe using what tools are available to them at the time. But once you have the religion, and you have holy men/women who have the ability to excersize some form of power over their flock, you'll inevitably find corrupt people flocking to those positions, as they do in every position of power. Then over time they'll carve out more power for themselves and more authority, find ways of extracting influence and power from their positions until soon you've got "holy men" living in palaces with the authority of kings.

It's just human nature for positions of power to eventually become corrupted to some degree, and positions of religious authority offer an unparalleled lever in which to move the masses, which only serves to make it more attractive to would-be tyrants

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being religious (provided you don’t force those views on others)

Hum. That's like saying "there's nothing wrong with being convinced that 2+2=5". There's something intrinsically mistaken about it, and I don't think it's defensible.

[–] davefischer 10 points 1 year ago

Religion is used as a scam by many people. It is also used in other ways by other people.

[–] spiderman@ani.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thrives on polarizing people in the name of religion

things have been like this for a long time, irrespective of the parties. but this has been going too far for the past two decades, especially after the current prime minister started his period.

[–] bady@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
[–] curiousgoo 2 points 1 year ago

I was gonna write about the fascist aspects of the country, but I wouldn't say that it's something completely unknown; many of my peers are okay with fascism just because there is no centerist alternative, as what we have already seen leftists are not going to be better given the same amount of power.

When it comes to religion, it should have been a personal thing rather than systematically integrating it with each aspect of our lives like how it was initially intended.

Sometime earlier in my life I took a decision of not going to my place of worship; this helped decouple my belief in something bigger that I don't understand, and a cult made by man.

[–] chahk 1 points 1 year ago
[–] lemonadebunny@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Oh my god, isn't Christianity kinda a pyramid scheme?