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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this.

If I have a Hardened Scales and an Ozolith, the Shattered Spire on the battlefield and I cast a spell that causes a creature to get a +1/+1 counter, do I add a total of three +1/+1 counters to that creature or four?

In other words, do Hardened Scales and Ozolith, the Shattered Spire both see the new +1/+1 counter on the stack simultaneously and add a single additional +1/+1 counter each? Or would (for example) Hardened Scales see the original +1/+1 counter, and add another one to the stack, at which point Ozolith, the Shattered Spire sees the original +1/+1 counter and adds an additional counter to the stack, and then as a separate event sees the +1/+1 counter from Hardened Scales and adds a second additional +1/+1 counter?

If the latter is true, then adding a couple other cards (like a Pir, Imaginative Rascal and Kami of Whispered Hopes) would make this insane. Hardened scales adds 1 additional +1/+1, Ozolith, the Shattered Spire adds 2 more, then Pir adds 3, then Kami of Whispered Hopes adds 4, for a total of 11 (including the original +1/+1 counter).

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[โ€“] JakeBacon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.

It's a replacement effect, adding one more counter to the existing effect, not creating a new effect that adds an additional counter. Keywords here are "if" and "instead".

TL;DR - 3 Counters, not 4

[โ€“] PlatonicTrog@mtgzone.com 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you! I wasn't thinking of it as a replacement effect, but that makes it very clear.

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