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[–] StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The democrats are also fascists :l no politician will save you

[–] leadore@kbin.social 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Fascist is a word with an actual meaning. I know it's fun to call the democrats fascists, but that's incorrect and ridiculous.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago

Democrats are closer to Vichy than Fascista

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So doing genocide and cracking down on free speech isn't fascist?

[–] leadore@kbin.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, those are not part of the definition of fascism.

Try this link and this one to start, if you want to educate yourself on the topic. Then if you still believe the Democratic Party fulfills the definition of fascist, come back and tell us which characteristics you think makes it so.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Aside from contempt for liberalism there's no difference, and Biden's contempt for the left more than makes up for it. It's more accurately neoliberal, but has a lot in common with fascism and you refuse to see it. That's why he's doing genocide and brutalizing people protesting against it. Similar ideologies produce similar outcomes.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Words have meaning in political discourse, and no, they're not.

They're neo-liberals. Both fascism and neo-liberalism are totalitarian. The former is also authoritarian. And their ways of totalizing are different.

Neo-liberalism appropriates everything that's not itself and turns it into a commodity. This is its form of totalitarianism; colonialism and cultural appropriation for the sake of the 'market'. I.e. theft.

Fascism extinguishes everything that's not itself. That is its form of totalitarianism, genocide. I.e. murder.

Neither one particularly plays well with others (hence them both being totalitarian). And both are willing to steal and both are willing to murder. But the end goals of each are much different and fascism is much worse, as you know as a jewish person.

And a Trump presidency would be a fascist one. With Trans people first on the chopping block after Trump's political enemies.

So, no. Both sides are not the same. And I'm also frustrated with the democrats. But yes, this is harm reduction. A neo-liberal or a fascist. Thieves or psychopaths. Those are the choices. Or vote third party. Or don't vote. But in November, we know it will be Biden or Trump who gets the nomination.

I'll vote for the thief personally. Because I practice harm reduction and live in a swing state.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

Fascism extinguishes everything that’s not itself. That is its form of totalitarianism, genocide. I.e. murder.

Biden is doing genocide, what are you talking about?

[–] leadore@kbin.social 9 points 5 months ago

Thank you for understanding the reality of the situation and voting accordingly.

I agree, Neo-liberal is a more accurate label for the democrats. Thanks for taking the time to educate about the difference between the parties. Unfortunately, unless these "democrats are fascists too" people learn to understand the differences and act accordingly [1], they're going to learn the hard way what fascism really is, and we'll all suffer for it. For a very long time.

[1] "accordingly" means, accept the reality that either the D party or the R party will be in power in less than a year, and vote for the lesser of two evils (the non-fascist, but yes neo-liberal, D party).

This is a divided country. Almost half the people this country are right wing, and they vote. They vote for who they want in the primary, then they vote for whoever the R is in the general--and it works. Their party has moved more and more to the right.

But too many progressives don't follow through in the general if their preferred candidate loses the primary, considering the winning candidate not "good enough" to "deserve" their votes, so the D either loses or barely wins. D politicians have learned well that they can't count on left wing voters, so to have a chance of winning they must move right to capture more center or conservative voters, and thus the D party as a whole has also moved right. If the D party instead learned that standing for progressive values would get them enough votes to win, that's what they would do.

We started to see that in 2022. They had actually been afraid to stand up for abortion rights until they saw some election results showing they could win on it, now they're loudly standing up for it. Show them they can win with a progressive stance on other issues as well, and things will start changing. Slowly at first, then quickly.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Words have meanings

uses buzzwords like totalitarian and authoritarian

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