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[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't think your distinction makes sense.

You're saying most mental health/suicide cases have hope, and thants probably true! But the article wasn't "every suicidal person granted euthanasia approval", it was approved for one very extreme case of mental suffering with no indication of improving. That would be like saying "most cases of pain still have hope". Yes exactly, they do, but there are rare, chronic cases where euthanasia may be a valid option, right? And just as much as suicidality is just 'a symptom of something' else, isn't pain also just a symptom of something else?

And obviously we should help suicidal people to improve their mental health, but in her case she has been struggling since childhood with no indication of improvement. So how was this "the wrong decision" for her?

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago

Have you read the article?

Under Dutch law, to be eligible for an assisted death, a person must be experiencing “unbearable suffering with no prospect of improvement”. They must be fully informed and competent to take such a decision.

After 10 years, there was “nothing left” in terms of treatment. “I knew I couldn’t cope with the way I live now.”

In the three and a half years this has taken, I’ve never hesitated about my decision.

How is this a temporary and overcomable problem? It seems clear that it is not temporary and no kind of treatment worked for her. As per the law, there must be unbearable suffering without prospect of improvement, and during the multiple stages of this process, apparently no one came to the conclusion that that wasn't the case for her. So how can you make that assessment?

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

Leaving aside the dystopian echo chamber that this could result in, you could argue that this would help with fake news by a lot. Fake news are so easy to spread and more present than ever. And for every person there is probably that one piece of news that is just believable enough to not question it. And then the next just believable piece of news. and another. I believe no one is immune to being influenced by fake stories, maybe even radicalized if they are targeted just right. A firewall just filtering out everything non-factual would already prevent so much societal damage I think.

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 9 months ago

Kinder haben glaube ich wie du sagst mit den Größten Einfluss! Ein Teil meiner Verwandtschaft ist vor einiger Zeit ausgewandert, Eltern mit einen recht jungen Kind. Dort hatten sie auch noch ein weiteres Kind. Zwar sind beide Kinder zweisprachig aufgewachsen, aber sprechen die dortige Sprache wesentlich besser als Deutsch, einfach dadurch, dass sie mit der Sprache im Alltag viel mehr Berührungspunkte haben. Inzwischen spricht die Familie auch Zuhause kaum mehr Deutsch, weil das "weniger umdenken" für sie ist. Ich kann mir vorstellen, dass das (wie im Bericht auch erwähnt) in der nächsten Generation nur weiter verstärkt wird.

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

ohhhh thank you!

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm completely out of the loop on this one. Can someone point me in the right direction?

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Wow, this is great stuff! I'd love to try this, but I get that it's still a bit away from being a usable prototype. I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled for this.

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