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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 159 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is actually a super fascinating example of the way data can be displayed in a technically correct way to lead the viewer to completely invalid conclusions.

[–] alekks09@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

It’s even more fascinating how everyone is seriously debating over this meme

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

wait 100 F is only 38 degrees?

Wow that's funny. I've seen so many people complain about extreme heat below 100 F.

I get that what you're not used to is difficult but like 38 degrees is a relatively ordinary (now) summer day for me.

From how people spoke about it I thought 100 F was more lile 45

[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Fun fact. -40 degrees is the same in both C and F, and is also called "January" where I live.

[–] Ashen44@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I live in a place that has -40°C winters and +40°C summers now 👍

God I sure do love global warming

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[–] bermuda 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It really depends on humidity. Humid heat is typically worse and can be really draining both mentally and physically. Dry heat is much more tolerable for humans. As a person who's experienced both I can concur, the 100F humid heat was borderline horrific.

38C/100F is probably fine (relatively) in Arizona but in Florida it'll be pretty terrible. Like when I was in the south for a week it was 98F and the walls were sweating.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

fuck BOTH these date formats.

ISO-8601 OR DIE.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good morning on this beautiful day, 2023-W47‐2T10:26

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

it's extra handy because it taught me how to better visualize the chronological position of minecraft snapshots! 2023w47 has kinda sucked, from what i hear second-hand, due to some accidental features people were excited about being removed as "bugs".

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[–] bort@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bort@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

tbh they both have way too many options.

just give me 2023-11-21T21:45:53.02Z and call it a day

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[–] ninpnin@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

sweden approves

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[–] Titou@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

USA's measurment system dosn't make any senses.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

1776-07-04

Sorting algos all agree.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Tbh I don't really get why people get upset about mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy. Is it a little weird? Sure, but personally, saying "July 4th, 1776" feels as natural as "the 4th of July, 1776". The former is more formal, the latter is more casual.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People don't get upset about saying the date in whatever format. They get upset when you write it in that format without specifying, so that you don't know if 07/04/1776 is July 4th or April 7th.

[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love it when someone sends me a message like this:

Hey there! What are you doing on 4/5?

????

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[–] Eagle0600@yiffit.net 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One word: Ambiguity. We need to either have a standard and stick to it, or a small handful of standards that cannot be confused for each other. DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY can be confused for each other, so the nonsensical MM/DD/YYYY should move over and make room for DD/MM/YYYY, or we should drop both and just use YYYY-MM-DD.

[–] TQuid 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ISO 8601 ALL DAY EVERY DAY BABY

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[–] Robmart@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or DD-MMM-YYYY. Like 05/OCT/2005, which is my favorite if I don't need it to be entirely numerical.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

ISO 8601. 1776-07-04. Everyone else is a heathen.

[–] Tau@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Because when usually dates formatted on number follow a descending or ascending order. Year -> Month -> Day or Day -> Month -> Year.

mm/dd/yyyy is:

-- Month <- Day | Year <-

It's not only strange but is also not easy to parse and can be confused with dd/mm/yyyy

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Different languages. In German you never say "Juli der 4." it's always "der 4. Juli". (I am sure someone will proof me wrong by digging up some weird old text, but it's still never used in day to day conversation)
I assume it's similar for other languages as well.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

So when you need to guess what 10-04-2024 means, it matters a lot

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[–] Fal@yiffit.net 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The fever temperature, maybe. But the rest makes more sense in C. It's so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking. Counting in increments of 5 or 10 also works for weather.

<0C = below freezing

0-10C = cold

10-20C = cool (sweater or hoodie)

20-30C = t-shirt weather

30C and above = hot

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking.

Explain how this is useful in cooking

20-30C = t-shirt weather

68 to 86 is a GIGANTIC difference. 68 is cold for many many people, certainly not "t-shirt weather". and 86 is hot, much more than "t-shirt weather".

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who bundles up in 68F? It's literally room temperature

Also it's useful in cooking because it's an actual, useful scale. You know when it's 90C it's about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F. Random number and all

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 5 points 1 year ago

Never said "bundling up". But that 10 degree range is so big as to be useless. 68 is not in the same category as 86.

You know when it’s 90C it’s about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F.

What? How often are you putting thermometers in whatever it is you're boiling? You just heat it until it boils. It doesn't matter what the number is.

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

i dunno, 68F on a cloudy windy day isn't as pleasant as 68F and sunny.

But then again I'm from Ohio and I won't bother to put on so much as a vest until it hits 50s

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

100 is absolutely a random number, just fetishized.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a funny argument I see from Yanks all the time.

Someone teach these Yanks about negative numbers, please!

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What do negative numbers have to do with anything? -1F = cold as fuck

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[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the two points missing from most debates are

  1. The imperial system does a damn good job at measuring things the way a human would. A foot is roughly the length of a big foot. A single degree farenheit is just big enough that you could guesstimate it with enough practice. If the temperatures are negative, you dump sand on the roads instead of salt.

  2. It's like seven units of measurement in a trenchant. You never have to convert gallons to cubic miles. You never have to convert from dots to angstoms, and nobody has ever had to convert the surveyors mile to the nautical mile. It feels schizophrenic because claiming it's one singular system is like saying Italian, French, and Portuguese languages are all regional dialects of Europeanese.

My point isn't "it's not a bug, it's a feature", I'm saying for the average non-scientist there may be a logical reason why we like it so much

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll grant that farenheit has merit, but for me, the foot/inches distance works a bit better for casual measurements, and stuff that doesn't have to be very precise.

Beyond maybe someone's height, I'd rather work in metric. I'm also very much in favor of celsius and I still have trouble converting between the temperature scales. I grew up with temps in degrees C, and height and some sort distances in feet/inches. IDK, I'm weird.

The date thing drives me nuts though.

[–] Fogle@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've adopted year month day as the superior sorting method

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

this is bait. picking arbitrary points of comparison where one looks clean and the other sloppy. who cares about 8.3 feet or Danzig?

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check the community, mate.

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