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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
 

So I got the message from instagram about either paying or using it free (at the cost personalised ads) just now.

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Doesn't this go against the GDPR? Either way, is there a FOSS alternative for instagram like piped is to youtube? It seems like a good opportunity to stop using the official app, even though it would be better to not use instagram at all (sadly not an option for me right now).

Any suggestions, and if so, are there any that provide functionality for: stories, posts, dms? Those are the 3 things I use instagram for.

Many thanks!

Edit: For messaging I do use beeper, though some media like carousels and posts sent to my dms cant be shown in there, so for those cases I open the official app.

Edit 2: many people have suggested pixelfed. Ive heard of it, and want to use it, but unfortunately the only reason Im still sticking with instagram is because I have very dear friends who would never change to anything non-mainstream. Theyre important enough that im willing to not delete it just yet, but I dont want to agree to either pay or pay with my data.

What im looking for is more like a piped for youtube, thing. So a frintend that has instagram content/features, but isnt the main app and avoids the problems I listed above

Edit 3: I ended up installing the site as a PWA on my phone as thats the only device I use it on, and uninstalled the official app. Thanks to everyone for all your input!

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[–] doctorn@r.nf 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Should have posted that chain-text to my Facebook wall years ago so my profile would be blue and safe...

Please forgive me,... I failed you all... 😭

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I swear these specific copypastas are started by grad school sociology students for their thesis research or something.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Lmao completely forgot about that

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Your info won't be used for ads"

But we'll still be tracking everything you do and selling that on to everyone who wants it.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

~~That said β€œwill” not β€œwon’t” FYI.~~

Ah I’m dumb ignore me.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

13€? Are they insane? If I were to use the platform I'd be willing to pay 3€ at most. 13€ is just ridiculous.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's on purpose. They know most people won't pay, so now it's carte blanche to their data. And if somebody's desperate enough, they'll pay 13€ and meta will make more money on the user than with ads.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

They will collect and sell your data either way. They just won't force ads down your throat if you pay them. This is what billionaires have done to our beloved internet.

[–] thepaperpilot 19 points 1 year ago

The call to action button is the free plan, with subscribe having a secondary button style. That alone makes it clear they want to show you ads more than they want you to subscribe.

[–] ursakhiin 15 points 1 year ago

They don't want you to choose the paid option. They make more in the ads and info.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 25 points 1 year ago

FOSS alternative is PixelFed

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

€12.99/mo. sounds wildly overpriced to me in comparison to 1) cost to serve and 2) ad revenue. I’m not an ad revenue expert, but I have a hard time believing they make anywhere near €13/user/mo. from advertisers.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

My god I just glanced quickly and thought it was 2.99. Asking 12.99 is an absolute joke.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meta makes their ARPU readily available to the public, so you really don't have to guess in this regard: https://www.statista.com/statistics/251328/facebooks-average-revenue-per-user-by-region/

Last quarter posted there, it was $19.04 for European users, or €17.84 with today's exchange rate.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those appear to be per-quarter numbers, and if so that would mean ~€5.95/month.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Looks like they report ARPU on a quarterly basis, yes.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ive heard of it, and want to use it, but unfortunately the only reason Im still sticking with instagram is because I have very dear friends who would never change to anything non-mainstream.

This is called the network effect, it's a social problem and no amount of technology will solve this. So your choices are either to stop using apps where you are the product, and obviously convince your friends to stop that as well, or grin and bear it. Maybe think about what you did 20 years ago and do that instead.

I've given an ultimatum to friends and family, switch to fediverse or our interactions will be reduced to in person encounters.

[–] nfsu2@feddit.cl 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is pixelfed an entirely different platform? Sadly i have many good friends on insta who i talk with, and they wouldnt ever switch to anything else, so because of that im stuck with meta. Otherwise i would 100% leave it

[–] nfsu2@feddit.cl 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is Instagram but federated in a nutshell. Just like Lemmy is similar to Reddit but federated. Whoah, wait I saw your profile and you do not know about Pixelfed?

[–] promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Ahh i see. Im going to edit my post now to specify that Im looking for an alternative frontend to instagram, such as piped is for youtube. Sadly i have friends on insta that I cant stop using it for now because of

Edit: haha ive heard of it, but its not really what im looking for sadly

[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago

Doesn't exist.

Just switch to Pixelfed.

Good friends will talk to you elsewhere like Telegram or Signal.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

I chose option C, don't use Instagram. But thanks, I guess!

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You need to make a choice, Mr Anderson...

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[–] shiveyarbles 13 points 1 year ago

Option 3: uninstall

[–] Crul@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago
[–] Bryan@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

I heard in a podcast that this is primarily to address the requirement to not target ads for under 18 and will be free to them. They probably have to offer it as a paid service for anyone 18+ and priced it so that no one actually does.

Without a doubt, everyone is still being tracked.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

The sane choice would be to leave.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anecdotally, the last time I checked my dormant Facebook feed it was deserted. I wonder how many people hit that message and just decide they can just nope out and not lose much of value.

I mean, that's what I did the first time it popped up. I only ever logged into that in case somebody was trying to reach me for work stuff, and that never actually happens, so...

As for whether this is GDPR compliant, it seems that FB was convinced it would get them past the newer post-GDPR regulations and the EU has strongly signalled that it really won't, so it's gonna be fun to watch from the sidelines.

Thanks for the GDPR info (grabs popcorn to watch as well).

As for facebook, I only use it because of messenger for work, which I will delete as soon as im done with my BSc in about a year (I work at my uni). I dont have the app but rather a PWA on my phone, not that theres much difference.

However, Im interested in instagram because of good friends that use it

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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll just stop using it if they tell me this. You can sign up for pixelfed. It's a part of the fediverse, too. You can transfer all of your Instagram photos to it very easily. They even have instructions on how to do it. I moved all of my 650 photos in about 20 minutes. Just in case.

[–] promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I dont have many photos, but thats not the issue. Its that all my friends are on it, and until I leave after my bachelors and need to have contact with them often im stuck with it. After i leave to a different country once i get my degree itll be easier, but for the next year or so im stuck with instagram because i dknt want to lose contact with them. As most people, they would never leave the mainstream thing behind, so no chance of converting them as well

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok then, run it in a browser, instead of the actual app, to give them less of your data. I have it installed on my phone as a webapp on Firefox with ublock origin and TrackerControl app

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[–] fluffery@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Pixelfed for true alternative PWA works Instander exists

[–] nonearther@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Before I suggest this, I'm not 100% how private and secure this is, but AeroInsta doesn't show any ads and promises not to send cookies and any of your data across.

You can download APK from here

[–] wesley@yall.theatl.social 4 points 1 year ago

I setup my own pixelfed instance to share pictures of my kids and family. I own and control all the data on my server and no one gets to monetize pictures of my children.

Not many of my family members are on there but I still prefer it to Instagram

[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is your issue exactly here? The fact that this could go against the GDPR? If that's the case, I don't see how a third party client would help. IG would still collect info about you and show you ads. Also, you would probably get the same popup asking if you want to subscribe. Nothing would change (except that with a third party client IG would not be able to collect as much info about you as with the official app)

Anyways, you still have the option to not pay and keep using IG as before. Nothing changes.

[–] promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I dont think so (correct me if im wrong). An alternative app might have access to the content etc and get around this paywall somehow.

Anyways, you still have the option to not pay and keep using IG as before. Nothing changes.

As fir my issue with this, im in the privacy community...need i say more? XD

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only thing a third party app can do is keep phone based activity private. If you have to ping a server to do something, that point becomes their data.

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im in the privacy community

What are you doing using instagram if you care about privacy? If you're there for friends, then privacy probably isn't that important enough to you to quit insta. What do you do on insta anyway? Aren't your friends on WhatsApp too? What's the point of Insta?

[–] reboot6675@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Wait, so it's either targeted ads or pay? Damn... Silly me thinking if you don't pay you still could opt out of targeted ads.

But yeah, isn't this against GDPR?

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