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[–] cacheson@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, English, the Lingua Franca.

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

The Esperanto of languages, wait

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

SPRICH DEUTSCH DU HURENSOHN!

contextEdit: since this gets quite a few downvotes, it's an insider from a German subreddit and meant as a joke. I get how it can come across offensive without context, sorry for that. I hope I provided enough context now.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Don't apologize for memes. Delete or own.

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A unifed global language is one of the characteristics of a type 1 civilization and right now English happens to be in a position to become that language. But whether or not English is the optimal option is a whole different can of worms. Since language and culture are so intertwined, the idea of the cultures, beliefs, and "mindsets" of entire groups of people being slowly erased, dominated, and assimilated by the anglosphere mind is a concerning long term problem. You lose out on potentially beautiful things only people of that culture and "mind" are capable of creating/conceiving or nurturing. Also America's dominance of cultural exports is insane.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I disagree. When i organised an international deaf week. It was very hard because i couldn't speak with people from different countries in international sign language.

So if it doesn't exist, people will either create a new one or use the dominant one. As for the culture, it depends.

[–] hyorvenn@jlai.lu 24 points 1 year ago

La France, le seul pays francophone bien evidemment

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

"I out-colonized you"

[–] Camus@jlai.lu 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

C'est assez amusant vu que l'accent britannique est assez difficile à comprendre pour des personnes qui ne sont pas natifs en anglais.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Je me souviens en Erasmus en république Tchèque on avait des cours d'aérodynamique en anglais.

Tout le monde arrivait à suivre sans trop de problème sauf une personne qui est allé se plaindre de la difficulté à suivre les cours à cause de la langue.

C'était un britannique, il avait réellement du mal à suivre le cours par un prof qui parlait du broken english avec un accent tchèque. En tant que français par contre aucun problème pour comprendre, je comprenait beaucoup plus facilement le prof tcheque que le britannique qui avait un fort accent londonien.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago

Moi c'etait la canadienne. Je voulais découvrir son accent, l'entendre, la comprendre (je suis sourd). Donc je lui ais posé une question. 😁 J'ai pas compris 😰 je lui ais demandé de repéter ☺️ puis j'ai abandonné et demandé d'écrire 🥺😭

C'était une sorte de franglais. 😅

[–] alfredon996@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

Je suis italien et je comprends l'anglais mieux quand il est parlé par un français ou un autre locuteur non natif.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Oui. C'est très difficile.

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago

En même temps...

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Et dans l'anglais on y retrouve des mots du vieux francais. Sinon ya la version espagnol ? 😁

Speak spanish, visit Spain ? 😁

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Engels zit ook vol met Oud Nederlandse woorden.

[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A coworker of mine suggested that Dutch is the easiest language to learn for native English speakers, so I've been learning it on the side for the past few months.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So is it easier ? I admit seeing dutch's sentence is kinda overwhelming. I lend toward spanish or italiano 😅

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not really, it's a fucked up language.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just the way sentences are constructed, the vocabulary, the fine nuances etc. Not to mention the pronunciation (though that's where I'm personally doing the least bad).

Furthermore, there is a widely known issue with immigrants to the country never really learning the language due to a plethora of factors from the fact most Dutch people speak great English (so you don't get practice), English being used as internal company language, and all the "infrastructure" stuff like taxes, administration etc being translated.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And how is immigrants integrations ? Do they find a pace in their society ?

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes and no, anyone can come make their life here (way easier to be successful here than in France for sure) but you do struggle to make Dutch friends as an adult. Still it's hard for me to picture a country that would be better to live in except maybe Nordics or Switzerland. What is missing is anything more "raw", great nature, great food, warm personalities etc are missing. That can be compensated somewhat by traveling often but I do think we'll move again someday to a place with more of that kind of things (just not France, NEVER! :D)

[–] Camus@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

What is missing is anything more “raw”, great nature, great food, warm personalities etc are missing.

Weather comes to mind too 😄

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago

So the message should be : learn old french and old Dutch > visit the world ☺️

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 4 points 1 year ago

You can also visit Quebec -- but why would you want to?