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[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 222 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To all the folks saying that reddit couldn't replace the mods, that it was too big an effort, that they couldn't run a big sub all by themselves, I have only one thing to say to you.

You were right.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, I hate being right.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How fitting. There should be a community/magazine for this

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[–] NotTheOnlyGamer@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm sure users will step forward if they care. Otherwise, it's just a campaign optimization at work. Limit the breadth of organic content to deepen the brand-friendly content and push more paid media into the feed.

[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Yes they most definitely will...but increasingly such things likely will not happen on the Reddit platform, moving forward. There are actual reasons that the mods left - e.g. to moderate a sub of millions of subscribers takes effort, which needs tools to make that happen - and those reasons still exist.

[–] FriendOfFalcons@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Reddit is really on their way to become the next facebook.

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sure users will step forward if they care.

This is the part I didn't quite get. Like I am sure that there were users who requested this sub in r/redditrequest after r/TIHI became unmoderated.

For some reason I don't understand, these requests did not pan out and it ended up getting shut down instead.

At the very least, users stepping forward doesn't seem to be enough on its own.

[–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If I had to guess, there are too many users who would become appointed as moderators, then just shut down the subreddit again. The admins need time to filter through the applications to find the genuine bootlickers.

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

The admins would never disrespect themselves by doing this peasant job by themselves. They have standards.

[–] Skray@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I fully expect reddit to replace the moderators but it will take time and effort to select the right people.

If all the mods who protested actually resigned or moved their subs to being unmoderated it would've crippled the site, reddit would not be able to replace them quick enough.

It's unfortunate that the threat alone was enough to get most of them to reopen.

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[–] Anomander@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Admin realized that despite all the applications, there were:

  • People requesting the subreddit so they could continue the protests.
  • People requesting the subreddit so they could give it back to the original mods.
  • People requesting the subreddit so they could own it.
  • People requesting the subreddit because they have strong feelings about "moderation" and want to /worldpolitics it.
  • Absolutely no one who wanted to just do what the old mods did.

From what I could see, there no actual good-faith requests from people who genuinely cared about /TIHI and wanted to moderate it well and diligently. And like, who's surprised? It's a huge subreddit without a concrete community core, it's more of a content category. I don't think anyone except the mods cared about the community itself, because there barely was one.

That's the same issue they're running into with the other large subs. They're too huge and too general and everyone is just another face in the crowd, so there are very few people who care about that specific space in the way that makes for good volunteer moderators - in most cases, when those people existed for those communities, they were already recruited into the old mod team.

And all the people who want to mod are either activists for the protest, the sort of power-hungry weirdos that end up as powermods, but who showed up to Reddit too late, or somebody with an axe to grind about moderation in general seeing an opportunity in the massive unmoderated subreddit.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From the one time I tried requesting a sub there, they don't just let someone have a sub if they ask and it'd be banned otherwise, they probably won't give it to you if you don't have mod experience for example (the reason I didn't get the niche sub I was trying to revive, which is reasonable enough), or if they feel that what experience you do have isn't enough that you'd likely be able to handle the particular sub. TIHI is a big sub, so they'd not just be looking for any random volunteer, it'd have to be someone experienced with moderating sizable subs, probably. And those people are, well, exactly the kind of people angry with reddit right now.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reddit gave the snackexchange subreddit to someone who had no mod experience and hadn't participated in the sub for years. The person claims they didn't even ask for the position and only asked for the head mod to be removed. Reddit removed the top mod and made the person top mod.

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[–] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ever since Victoria got sacked, reddit doesn't seem to have anyone competent enough to run community relation anymore. They probably can't figure out how to vet new mods if they were to hire some.

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[–] AshDene@kbin.social 94 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I love it.

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 77 points 1 year ago (10 children)

TIHI was a fairly large sub, with almost multimilion level of subscribers. If reddit wanted to increase traffic and get more eyes on ads, they're doing quite a terrible job of it so far.

[–] infotainment@kbin.social 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Reddit's stance has just been so bizarre.

So they want people to pay to not see ads? They literally sell that as a product, Reddit Premium. Why not tie API access to premium subscriptions? It's not even unprecedented; Spotify does this.

[–] unfnknblvbl@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is literally the only reason I would pay for Premium access.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they had come out of the gate with that being the change, I would probably have paid for Reddit premium. Now though, not a chance.

[–] danbob@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being a cheapass, I would probably have made the switch to using their horrid app. But, it would have been my own decision to be a cheapass so I would've been fine using it.

[–] gpage@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I can understand that line of thinking. In this instance, I think I'm w/ @bionicjoey on this one. If it was a choice of use their app or pay, I'd have paid. I refused to use New Reddit on the PC. I know folks that have gone to using the new app though (even knowing what we know now) and I guess that's ok. Their choice and all that.

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[–] argv_minus_one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's what I was expecting would end up happening.

I was internally debating whether I'd pay for a premium Reddit account in order to continue using a third-party app. On the one hand, I could keep using the app that way. On the other hand, I'd be giving money to a company that not only openly tolerates but profits from hate and bigotry. Tough decision.

But then spez went and resolved that dilemma for me. Helpful fellow.

[–] Xeelee@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At this point, it's not about what is logical or sensible. Huffman would rather burn the place down than admit he was wrong.

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[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

That's not totalitarian enough.

[–] pizza_rolls@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

That's not what Elon Musk would do, so spez doesn't like it.

[–] Awwab@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What I still don't get is why all these apps had to have a single api account for all users.

[–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does not make sense to me why the API charge have to be calculated by total traffic of all users of an app either. I've decided to think it is just an excuse to get rid of third party apps until convinced otherwise.

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[–] Blakerboy777@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

To my understanding it's a somewhat reasonable approach that has its upsides and downsides. I believe Twitter apps were all designed that way back in the day as well.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

Once you have enough of it to live a comfortable life, money just becomes about power. So, what we have is some spoiled rich asshole who is used to having influence and power being shown that most of that was a gift. That gift has been recinded, and so the only control he has left is money.

He's spending some of Reddit's current and future earnings on stepping on necks. Because that's what the cash was going to be used for, in one way or another, anyway.

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[–] Hakaku@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I thought they would just take over or replace the mod list. Guess I was wrong

[–] GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking dumb to force them to reopen and then when mods say fuckit ban the sub. This is some bad parenting.

[–] meat_popsicle@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

But I thought millions of people depended on the communities involved and that’s why they had to reopen.

Doesn’t banning the community just fully go against their stated reasoning?

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[–] nameless_prole@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And who are they going to have take over mod responsibilities (for free) in all of these communities at once? This is why mods need to call their bluff and force them to try to replace them.

[–] DBT@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saw someone complaining about the protest in a thread where the top mod was offering up the sub to whoever wanted it. I suggested they (person complaining) go ahead and step up and ask to be a mod. They replied something like, “I don’t wanna be an E-jannie…[blah blah].”

These people assume that there’s plenty of other people who will step-up and take over. We’ll see I guess.

[–] Lells@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whenever people say "Somebody should do something!" they very rarely ever add "and the somebody is me"

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[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is the dumbest move possible. I can only assume they're trying to scare other mods into alignment because they can't replace the moderators effectively. Well, I'll cheers to their stupidity!

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[–] Lells@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit: You can't be private, people need to see the content, reopen or else!
TIHI: No.
Reddit: Fine, mods are gone and we've reopened the community. People who want to be mods speak up
Crickets: Cricket noises
Reddit: This sub is unmoderated, so it's now banned so nobody can see it

So... Reddit just reclosed the sub they said MUST be open.

Sound logic. Real class act.

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I personally never browsed TIHI. It was always one of those where linking it was more of a meme than actually browsing it in my mind. Similar to how a lot of people would comment "/r/unexpectedjohnmulaney" but very few people were actually subbed to /r/unexpectedjohnmulaney. Because who the heck wants a bunch of pictures of comments referencing John Mulaney jokes in their feed? It's the old "subreddits as hashtags" bit.

All that being said, it sucks because I know TIHI actually had more of a community than most "hashtaggy" subreddits. My understanding is it was a bit like a blend of ATBGE, MildlyInfuriating, CursedImages, or DIWhy.

Reddit is killing real communities, and killing their own history in the process. All those comments throughout the ages linking "/r/TIHI" now link to a dead sub. As much as I may have found those comments annoying, there were people out there who would click that link and go browse or maybe even subscribe to TIHI as a result of those comments.

[–] Lohrun@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

It’s only a matter of time until more subs start meeting the same fate. I’m glad to have found a new platform to move to. After reading the posts from the Apollo dev, it seemed like the writing was on the wall about Reddit

[–] OctoFloofy@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I was subscribed to it, RIP

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

The thing about TIHI, interestingasfuck, SLPT are that they regularly made r/all. Content hitting the front page means views for Reddit. So it's less about the sub's specific userbase, and more that those "main" subs have broad user appeal that brings people to Reddit in the first place.

And currently they're all shuttered. Which means less content on r/all, which decreases the general audience appeal of Reddit.

Quality management 👍

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[–] pizza_rolls@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's funny that in response to this people are STILL insisting that it's easy to find new mods. TIHI, interestingasfuck, and shittylifeprotips have been closed for over a week because they have no mods. Before TIHI mods got banned, they offered multiple users complaining the option to take over moderating the sub and they said no.

How does any of this point to it being easy to replace mods? Delusional

[–] explodingkitchen@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You would think that Reddit would have put some new mods in there right away (even if those "new mods" were just socks being staffed by Reddit employees) to put pressure on other subreddits.

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[–] zlatiah@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So having all the mods quit is actually a viable way to protest? (writes down notes)

[–] WytchStar@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what "to cut off your nose to spite your face" means. To the letter.

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[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

In for a penny, in for a pound I guess.

I didn't think Spez would literally drive his platform to ashes, I thought there was a middle ground, but nope he is going straight to the logical conclusion to all this.

[–] aussiematt@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What was r/TIHI? I can't get to the reddit site anymore, but even if I could, it probably wouldn't be very enlightening if the sub is already deleted...

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

@ausiematt "Thanks, I hate it"

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[–] Cube6392 5 points 1 year ago

Said TIHI mods who just wanted it to be private in the first place:

Oh no... Don't do that...

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