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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 points 1 year ago

VPN that I use is about 50USD for a two year cycle, pretty cheap if you commit for a while. Even beyond torrents just not letting your ISP scoop up all your browsing data is worth the price.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, it is really that dangerous. People recommended VPNs for a reason. Whether you personally are realistically at risk is an unknown - relatively few people are actually the targets of anti-piracy action. As others have pointed out, copyright trolls generally operate in specific countries and regions.

Still, I would never recommended engaging in copyright infringement without some form of protection. I understand you are poor but it really is a silly risk to take. The way almost all pirates get caught, at least from what I've seen, is through stupidity or complacency (one could argue they are the same thing). This is why the megathread tries to recommended best practice wherever possible.

[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Just an FYI: for the cost of a VPN, you can buy a Usenet subscription. Depending on your content, you'll get far better speeds, far more privacy, far more content, and far more availability.

[–] Overzeetop@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I used to be all over usenet. Starting about 10-12 years ago most of the indexers turned to shit; either that or takedowns have eviscerated the back catalog of content from providers. I've yet to find a good tracker that can find anything (that's more than 12-24 hours old).

[–] xenos@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Parallax@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I wish I had gotten into Usenet back in the day. I feel like I missed out on a big part of the early internet.

[–] JC@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use usenet, but I find that I have a lot of issues finding content in other language than English. Also, finding rarer content is harder too. So I also use torrents to complete what I can't find over usenet. To this day I would like to get content in French, but it's hard.
This means that I still need a torrenting setup with VPN.

[–] SmokytheBear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is my setup. Sure it does mean you have to pay for a couple of things, but I find its the best way. Plug a Usenet provider and a couple of indexers into the aars, set it as highest priority, then some decent torrent trackers as lower prio.

Usenet will handle grabbing the majority of your requests without having to worry about seeding, ratio and such and the torrent trackers act as a fallback and for stuff like season packs which don't tend to get uploaded to Usenet and anything older or rarer that might not be available on usenet. So far though I've found it's not too much that doesn't get grabbed by usenet, but the torrent trackers are a nice backup.

[–] kavides@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Where would be a good place to go to learn more about UseNet? Are there any resources you prefer?

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[–] Jezebelley@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely should have one. Highly recommend Proton VPN personally. I love their software suite.

[–] Thalyssa@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

YMMV but I never got into trouble for torrenting.

Bell Aliant in NS, Canada.

[–] Jarmer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Look into a seedbox. They can be had for very cheap in some places and then you're not torrenting anything at all to your local network, you're just transferring everything over an encrypted ftp connection. I use whatbox and absolutely love it. I'm sure there are cheaper options though.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It really depends on how likely you are going to be caught and what the consequences are. Your ISP may not care but copyright holders generally band together and have legal set ups in most countries both trying to take down servers and end users, lobby for legal changes including trying to criminalise copy right infingement.

Generally a trustworthy VPN is a very good idea not just for torrenting but for maintaining privacy and security when you are doing other things such as banking, or even just browsing. A VPN is about protecting all your data and internet traffic, not just protecting you when torrenting.

In terms of Torrenting, a Proxy may be enough and a lot of the best VPN providers do provide Proxy servers (that anonymise the detail of your Torrenting use but the rest of your computer use would be on the open internet) in addition to full VPN connections that secure your whole PC for P2P and non-P2P uses.

If a VPN seems too expensive, then there are companies that also only provide Proxy connecftions. BTGuard.com is an example; the Proxy only option is 30% cheaper than the full VPN option.

EDIT: Note though, a VPN is about anonymity. You need to trust your VPN provider as you're passing your data through them, and it is not a substitue for secure practices on the internet. You still need to be secure on the internet including only downloadling from trustworthy locations, using antivirus and malware protection, not installing software from insecure places, using HTTPS and securing your internet browser, turning on tracking protection & ad blocking, and even considering using virtualisation to protect yourself even more.

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You are fine without a VPN until you aren't anymore. Torrenting was fine in basically every country until it wasn't anymore. And then some people got burned without a warning.
So you can roll the dice, it might take years until people start caring in your country and you are fine until then. Or they might start caring in a few months. If you aren't, there is a chance you will have time to react to the news when other people first get hit in your country or you will be one of the first. If you are already using a VPN you can rest assured that you won't be one of the first.

[–] trent@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You're probably fine, but I recommend just getting a free VPN to keep your ISP at bay. I don't like Proton, but they do have a free VPN. Google around and you can find some others too, if that one is too slow

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[–] bdp1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

American here, I've torrented movies and anime for a few years now and only got one warning (For downloading "The Big Short" of of Pirate bay). I have since stopped seeding on that site, though a seed on smaller ones. I have had no issues with lawyers since.

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of self-hostable VPN services out there which are free. There is also Mullvad as previously mentioned and I myself use Nord (I don't necessarily recommend it for privacy, but it was convenient when I got it).

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What if i have self-hosted vpn? am i safe now? (wireguard)

[–] ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Vitaly

Nope! The server provider will definitely be monitoring your activity and probably will report you for torrenting. VPNs shift trust, even self-hosted ones. Do you trust Amazon AWS or Google Cloud or whatever provider you're using? I certainly hope not.

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The server provider is my good friend in different country (with very old computer)

[–] ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Vitaly
Then yeah you're probably good actually.

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah i hope so, i also want to ask about DNS provider that you guys use

[–] ch0ccyra1n@emeraldsocial.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Vitaly
Speaking for myself, I use quad9 for DNS

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[–] ashlie@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I personally wouldn't take the chance. Mullvad is €5 a month, and is worth it to me. My ISP completely shut off my service before ever giving me a notification. I had to completely restart service after going full Karen and blaming it on "my kids." I would do a few searches and find posts or info relevant to your area or ISP.

[–] alphafalcon@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mullvad stopped providing port forwards, so they're not ideal for torrenting anymore. They were great before.

[–] ashlie@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting. The lack of logs is still desirable, but I'll look into that further. Thanks!

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

But barely anyone else provides it too. Proton has it kind of but the amount of servers are restricted so yeah great higher ping/slower speeds depending on where you are from

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[–] KingPyrox@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If using qBittorrent there is an anonymous option. Not sure if works well but I haven't received an ISP email in a long time since I set it

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anonymous mode is NOT enough. It is just meant to enhance protections by anonymising your traffic as much a possible. But your data still leaks and is enough for people to persue you. For example, if you live in a flat share and you and your flatmate torrent, by turning on Anonymous mode your client's unique "finger print" is not shared, so it would be difficult to determine which of you did the downloading if you both use it. But you're still leaking information on what you're downloading so it can still be traced to your flat.

You need to use either a Proxy service or a full VPN service. And if you're sharing with other people then encourage them to do the same, or secure your internet connection at the source (you can set up VPNs to work on your router so ALL internet traffic is secured)

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